# Let's Open Source the World

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ

Machine-generated transcript; recognition errors remain. Source-recording timestamps. Boundary-crossing subtitle ends are clipped to this session.

[01:20:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4856s) I had to put this together late last night.

[01:20:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4858s) I've been in a whirlwind after this project went viral

[01:21:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4861s) of unblocking thousands of open source developers.

[01:21:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4865s) We've had VCs approaching us.

[01:21:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4867s) I've been in constant meetings.

[01:21:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4869s) This has been a sleepless month of activity since this happened.

[01:21:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4874s) So if you're not familiar, I kind of cloned Adobe Photoshop

[01:21:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4878s) and a bunch of other apps, and that went super viral.

[01:21:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4882s) My phone, my inbox, everything has just been absolutely lit up.

[01:21:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4886s) And so I apologize for the structure of the talk.

[01:21:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4891s) This was thrown together as quickly as I can,

[01:21:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4893s) but I've got a lot of really exciting stuff to talk about.

[01:21:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4895s) And I think it talks about the future of not only the industry,

[01:21:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4900s) but just technology as a whole.

[01:21:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4902s) So we're going to open source the entire world.

[01:21:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4905s) Like, why not?

[01:21:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4906s) It's something that I've always wanted to do as a developer.

[01:21:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4910s) That's something that a lot of us in the open source community are interested in.

[01:21:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4914s) Open source powers a lot of the technology that we're familiar with,

[01:22:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4920s) but it's never been at the forefront.

[01:22:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4922s) Linux has always been a second-class citizen.

[01:22:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4924s) We've been pulled into a whole bunch of platforms where we don't really have ownership.

[01:22:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4929s) And AI kind of gives us a chance to take the web back, if you will.

[01:22:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4935s) So I might have to do this manually.

[01:22:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4940s) Cool.

[01:22:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4941s) So a little bit about myself.

[01:22:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4942s) I've been an engineer for about 15 years.

[01:22:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4945s) I spent eight years at Square doing heavy-hitting infra,

[01:22:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4949s) so online payments, the authentication stack,

[01:22:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4954s) basically anything that could take down the company,

[01:22:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4956s) my team was kind of in charge of,

[01:22:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4957s) and it was eight years of carrying the pager,

[01:22:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4959s) a lot of really heavy-hitting infrastructure work.

[01:22:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4962s) And then I've spent seven years doing startups,

[01:22:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4964s) and that's a whole different world.

[01:22:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4966s) It's a lot of risk, a lot of learning what the market needs,

[01:22:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4969s) a lot of correcting your own assumptions.

[01:22:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4972s) And I've also been, I'm based in Atlanta.

[01:22:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4975s) It's a big film state.

[01:22:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4976s) I've been very big in the arts.

[01:22:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4978s) So out of college, made lots of films,

[01:23:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4981s) built laser projectors that play video games

[01:23:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4983s) on the side of skyscrapers, that kind of thing.

[01:23:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4984s) And those are the sort of customers that our startups

[01:23:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4988s) or the startups that I built have catered to,

[01:23:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4990s) creatives, artists, filmmakers, and so forth.

[01:23:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4994s) I want to transport everybody back in time,

[01:23:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4997s) back to the very beginnings of the web and the Internet,

[01:23:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=4999s) the 90s, the early 2000s.

[01:23:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5003s) So for us millennials, we're going to feel old.

[01:23:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5006s) And for everybody that's younger,

[01:23:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5009s) just let me kind of set the stage for what the Internet was like.

[01:23:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5013s) We had a bunch of chat applications that were completely open.

[01:23:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5016s) So IRC is like Discord,

[01:23:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5018s) but you can spin up your own servers that you actually own.

[01:23:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5020s) You can use whatever programs to automate them and interrogate them.

[01:23:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5024s) without rules. All of the commercial messaging apps were basically, they didn't care if you

[01:23:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5030s) used third-party tools to connect to them. Every website had data exports. They had APIs.

[01:23:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5036s) You could literally build really cool mashups with Reddit and Flickr and Twitter. And these

[01:24:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5041s) were like trending on Slashdot before Hacker News was a thing. And then, you know, in the

[01:24:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5047s) more modern times, these kind of trickled down to a much slower pace because the APIs

[01:24:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5053s) got got removed. There's a bunch of file sharing. So not not just file sharing, you can actually

[01:24:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5059s) buy mp3s and feel a sense of ownership and and everything that you were doing on the

[01:24:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5063s) web. And now it's more licensing. There was so much open creativity because largely the

[01:24:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5070s) people on the internet were technical. They were early adopters. So flash kids were making

[01:24:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5075s) all kinds of animations. There were diffuse communities with PHP, PHP BB and envision

[01:24:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5081s) and just a ton of creativity that was happening at the time.

[01:24:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5086s) Wikipedia got started sort of in this ethos,

[01:24:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5089s) and we don't really see this kind of stuff anymore

[01:24:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5092s) in the current era and incarnation of tech.

[01:24:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5095s) Websites were highly customizable.

[01:24:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5098s) Like MySpace at the time, you could actually change the HTML and CSS

[01:25:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5101s) and make it look however you want.

[01:25:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5103s) So this was a totally different alien time

[01:25:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5107s) compared to what we have today.

[01:25:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5111s) When Web 2.0 happened, broadband, smartphones, it brought everybody into the fold.

[01:25:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5115s) So the technical people got sort of pushed to the sidelines.

[01:25:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5118s) And it's not a bad thing.

[01:25:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5120s) Like, we needed our parents and our grandparents to be able to use these products.

[01:25:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5123s) But we sort of, we rounded the edges on things.

[01:25:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5126s) We took away all the technical pieces.

[01:25:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5127s) We made everything easy for people to adapt because they couldn't contribute from a technical footing.

[01:25:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5133s) They didn't want to unpackage things.

[01:25:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5135s) They didn't know what APIs were.

[01:25:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5136s) And so the platforms and the protocols got replaced by platforms,

[01:25:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5141s) and they sort of grabbed as many users as they could.

[01:25:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5146s) And sort of the diffuse experimental early web started to disappear.

[01:25:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5149s) The APIs got taken away from us,

[01:25:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5152s) and then we started seeing distribution being gatekept by the big providers.

[01:25:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5157s) Like, we never once had a phone ecosystem where we could freely distribute to,

[01:26:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5163s) like we could on the desktop.

[01:26:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5166s) things started to cost more and more as startups began to like win market share they realized that

[01:26:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5173s) they had pricing power and suddenly your Netflix actually became cable once you started subscribing

[01:26:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5178s) to all the streaming services and then they started to get very extractive for companies

[01:26:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5184s) that maybe maybe hit the limits of their growth they started coming up with crazy crazy gotchas

[01:26:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5189s) So the one that got me is Adobe has this, you can subscribe to a monthly plan, and they don't tell you this.

[01:26:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5197s) It's in like the very small print.

[01:26:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5198s) If you cancel your monthly plan before the 12 months or 18 months, they actually charge you up to like $200 to unsubscribe,

[01:26:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5206s) which is really inconvenient if you're going to a film festival like once a year making a short film,

[01:26:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5211s) and then suddenly you've got an extra $200 bill for an application that you were just using over a weekend.

[01:26:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5216s) And that's hit so many people, and it's really frustrating.

[01:26:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5219s) that the web that was once really, really promising and open and free

[01:27:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5225s) has turned into this extractive, owned, rented, rent-seeking world.

[01:27:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5234s) So it used to be a very special place in the 90s and the 2000s,

[01:27:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5239s) and more and more has been extracted.

[01:27:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5243s) This is a term that's commonly used in shitification.

[01:27:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5247s) I think that aptly describes everything that happened.

[01:27:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5252s) Our company started with the ethos of let's build everything open source.

[01:27:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5256s) Like the applications that we built in the AI space were 100% open,

[01:27:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5261s) not only the desktop apps, but the actual infrastructure as well.

[01:27:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5264s) So Artcraft originally started as sort of like a professionally-minded Higgs field.

[01:27:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5269s) So all of the filmmakers that I know and that I've grown up with,

[01:27:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5273s) we were making a product for them to use rather than a UGC-centered approach,

[01:27:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5277s) like Higgs field or OpenArt or so forth have.

[01:28:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5282s) And that enabled us to give them a desktop tool that lived on their machine

[01:28:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5287s) where all the files that they were generating lived right next to their editor.

[01:28:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5291s) And one of the things that we observed, and my advisors thought I was absolutely crazy,

[01:28:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5296s) that artists, you know, they don't know what open source is.

[01:28:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5298s) They don't need it. They don't talk about it.

[01:28:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5300s) You know, GIMP isn't really used by artists.

[01:28:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5302s) we actually observed artists vibe coding their own workflows on top of the software that we gave them.

[01:28:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5308s) And that is something that was brand new to all of us.

[01:28:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5311s) There were micro drama studios that were doing order fulfillment for some of the top micro drama startups.

[01:28:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5318s) They would do 30 to 50 grand of fulfillment every single month.

[01:28:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5321s) And they had big teams and no product out there fits their needs.

[01:28:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5325s) Nobody's going to go and workshop and build that specifically for the type of delivery that they need.

[01:28:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5330s) Yet they in-house have people that know cloud code and they can take the APIs and they can generate an interface that's like that

[01:28:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5337s) So we started experimenting with completely open source giving it to our customers

[01:29:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5341s) And they really responded to that and then we thought

[01:29:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5345s) What if we could turn back time on everything like all of these things that they're consuming and building would be much more friendly and

[01:29:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5353s) And give them way more capacity to create if all of the infrastructure was open source

[01:29:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5359s) if all of the application shapes that they wanted to leverage were open source?

[01:29:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5364s) Like, they use Premiere. They use Adobe.

[01:29:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5366s) Like, what could we do to give them something that they could actually take away

[01:29:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5370s) all of the surface area that they don't use

[01:29:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5372s) and constrain the apps to their specific workflow?

[01:29:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5375s) What would it look like if they could do that, you know,

[01:29:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5378s) five or ten times for each different artist on their team

[01:29:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5381s) that's doing a particular part of that workflow?

[01:29:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5383s) And so we wanted to kind of undo what had happened during Web 2.0

[01:29:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5388s) and everything became owned and consolidated and gatekept

[01:29:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5394s) and just give people back their applications.

[01:29:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5396s) And AI really is the means for us to

[01:30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5400s) do that.

[01:30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5400s) So we took a stab at the Adobe Creative Suite. We looked at Photoshop first. We basically

[01:30:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5407s) prompted, you know, this is the basic shape of a photo editing app. You've consumed and

[01:30:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5413s) trained on all of the tutorials about what Photoshop is. That's in your training data.

[01:30:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5418s) laid out a large, large prompt to say, let's build out the application. Let's separate

[01:30:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5424s) the UI UX from that.

[01:30:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5426s) Let's make everything MCP and CLI compatible.

[01:30:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5429s) Let's build out plans for every single tool,

[01:30:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5432s) how all of those work.

[01:30:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5433s) Let's talk about the data structures,

[01:30:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5435s) the file format importers.

[01:30:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5436s) We basically built these large prompts.

[01:30:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5438s) And within 24 hours, we were looking

[01:30:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5440s) at a pretty good approximation of what Photoshop was.

[01:30:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5444s) And it kind of blew our minds away.

[01:30:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5447s) It was functional.

[01:30:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5449s) It was very familiar to us.

[01:30:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5450s) It started 10 times faster than the original Photoshop.

[01:30:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5453s) Now, we didn't actually cover the entire surface area of Photoshop.

[01:30:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5457s) There's a lot of work. We're still not at 100% parity.

[01:31:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5460s) But we're measuring ourselves against what needs to be done,

[01:31:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5463s) and we're getting closer and closer.

[01:31:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5465s) We were at 50%. We've just passed 60%.

[01:31:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5468s) And in the fullness of time, like Pareto principle,

[01:31:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5471s) we could reach 99.99% parity.

[01:31:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5475s) I'm going to take a little bit of a diatribe.

[01:31:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5478s) Our team has talked about whether we take this further now

[01:31:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5480s) or whether we just go for parity.

[01:31:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5481s) And right now, we want to fulfill the muscle memory of all the artists that use Adobe.

[01:31:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5488s) So we are going for Adobe, like their sort of interface and look and feel directly.

[01:31:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5492s) In the fullness of time, we will build net new apps that have new interfaces that are more agentic.

[01:31:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5497s) But we wanted to do that also as sort of like a proving function,

[01:31:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5500s) that we have actually accomplished something real, completely agentically.

[01:31:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5504s) So we did Photoshop. We did basically all of their apps.

[01:31:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5510s) We did InDesign.

[01:31:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5511s) We did Premiere.

[01:31:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5514s) And this, I did not expect this to go viral.

[01:31:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5518s) I was withholding posting it on Hacker News.

[01:31:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5519s) It got out on Reddit.

[01:32:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5521s) And then, like, two days later,

[01:32:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5522s) like, New York Times was asking me for an interview.

[01:32:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5525s) And our Discord went from 3,000 people to,

[01:32:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5527s) it's now got more people in our Discord

[01:32:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5529s) than Jev, Suno, Higgsfield.

[01:32:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5533s) I'm still struggling to bear with what has happened.

[01:32:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5535s) This was, it struck a nerve with people.

[01:32:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5537s) They've felt sort of maligned by Adobe

[01:32:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5539s) be in other tech companies.

[01:32:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5541s) And what we've built has really resonated with them.

[01:32:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5544s) And it's sort of built up this mission to build more.

[01:32:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5548s) So all of the anti-AI artists who have been pushing back

[01:32:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5551s) against AI all of this time, they've sort of turned around.

[01:32:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5555s) We actually love what you're doing.

[01:32:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5558s) They've started using these apps.

[01:32:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5559s) They've started giving us feature requests and bug reports.

[01:32:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5562s) And we're engaging them.

[01:32:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5564s) And I think we're going to be able to teach them

[01:32:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5566s) this is what an MCP is.

[01:32:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5567s) This is how you agentically create things.

[01:32:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5569s) And maybe we'll start pulling away some of these bloated interfaces

[01:32:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5572s) and giving them things that are faster, more fluid,

[01:32:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5575s) and let them do their work faster.

[01:32:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5577s) So we didn't stop with those apps.

[01:32:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5579s) We've done all kinds of stuff.

[01:33:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5580s) We've done CAD.

[01:33:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5581s) We've done Flash.

[01:33:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5585s) We've done a bunch of digital audio workstations.

[01:33:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5589s) It's not just us.

[01:33:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5590s) It's the community doing these things as well.

[01:33:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5592s) And there's really no limit in terms of what can be done.

[01:33:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5595s) So we've done the entire Microsoft,

[01:33:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5597s) well, the core apps within the Microsoft Office,

[01:33:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5599s) Suite, there's been Google Docs.

[01:33:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5601s) We have companies and universities and all sorts of people

[01:33:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5605s) approaching us wanting to use these things.

[01:33:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5607s) And we're basically trying to fulfill

[01:33:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5610s) all of these different asks.

[01:33:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5611s) They're being used on Linux, where they've never

[01:33:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5614s) been used before.

[01:33:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5616s) PDFcraft is probably the best app.

[01:33:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5617s) You should all go download it right now.

[01:33:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5618s) You'll never have to use Acrobat again.

[01:33:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5620s) This is really fast, really smooth.

[01:33:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5627s) It works on Linux.

[01:33:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5629s) It works on NetBSD.

[01:33:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5630s) It's brilliant.

[01:33:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5631s) This one's ready to go.

[01:33:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5632s) So go ahead and get this one.

[01:33:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5635s) We did Figma.

[01:33:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5636s) We've actually done the server component for this, too.

[01:33:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5638s) And you can basically have your team collaborate on documents.

[01:34:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5642s) It's got the wrapped Paxos multi-user setup.

[01:34:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5646s) So we're starting to go into infrastructure, too.

[01:34:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5648s) And the entire infrastructure and data model, all of it, is open source.

[01:34:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5651s) We're not keeping any of it proprietary.

[01:34:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5655s) There's a community that's working on SolidCraft that's led by engineers.

[01:34:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5658s) They've actually got an open engineering kernel that manages all of this.

[01:34:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5664s) And it's really solid.

[01:34:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5666s) Like the MCP, you can actually do 3D printing projects really quickly with SolidCraft.

[01:34:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5672s) We've had so, so much happen.

[01:34:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5674s) We've got over 300,000 GitHub stars.

[01:34:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5678s) 4,000 different people have been contributing to this project, and it's picking up.

[01:34:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5683s) It's actually become sort of a movement, if you will.

[01:34:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5686s) And we're trying to adapt to how much influx of people

[01:34:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5690s) trying to contribute to this.

[01:34:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5691s) I'm going to pick up the pace, because I've

[01:34:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5692s) been kind of lagging on this.

[01:34:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5693s) But we're getting about 1.7 million downloads a day.

[01:34:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5697s) And this is accelerating.

[01:34:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5698s) We've got a launcher app that puts us on the desktop.

[01:35:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5700s) And you can basically manage everything here.

[01:35:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5703s) It works on all operating systems.

[01:35:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5706s) A quarter of our users are on Linux, which is really

[01:35:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5709s) fascinating.

[01:35:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5709s) Linux has been historically really, really underserved,

[01:35:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5712s) and now they have super high-quality professional apps

[01:35:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5717s) for creative and office work, which is really nice.

[01:35:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5722s) So we love and respect all of the work

[01:35:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5726s) that's been done there in the past,

[01:35:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5727s) but people are really excited to use the apps

[01:35:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5729s) that they didn't have access to.

[01:35:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5732s) All of these things are MCP and CLI first class.

[01:35:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5735s) You can totally command these,

[01:35:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5737s) and you can watch them build and assemble creative projects right in front of you.

[01:35:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5741s) They've been localized into languages that were never officially supported by Adobe or Microsoft.

[01:35:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5747s) We were told that Arabic was not supported in NDesign.

[01:35:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5751s) We've also supported these apps past their support lifecycle.

[01:35:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5755s) Adobe Animate was being end of life, or it was being put on life support.

[01:36:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5760s) We've picked that up.

[01:36:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5761s) We've had basically animation studios come to us saying,

[01:36:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5763s) we use this for our jobs.

[01:36:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5765s) This is important.

[01:36:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5766s) Please, please support this.

[01:36:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5768s) So a lot of really fascinating things are happening

[01:36:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5771s) where we're getting this into more places

[01:36:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5773s) than they've ever been before.

[01:36:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5774s) And it's definitely not me.

[01:36:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5776s) Like, I started this, and now we've got a community

[01:36:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5778s) of, like, 4,000 developers.

[01:36:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5780s) This has taken on a life of its own.

[01:36:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5782s) They are doing everything from CI, CD.

[01:36:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5784s) It's incredible.

[01:36:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5785s) This is way bigger than just me.

[01:36:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5787s) I really got to pick up the pace here.

[01:36:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5789s) I've made way too much content.

[01:36:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5790s) So there are over 300 apps being developed by the community.

[01:36:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5794s) We've developed an app where non-technical people can start contributing and use the

[01:36:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5799s) basis of the apps that we've created, like the UI, UX libraries.

[01:36:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5802s) We're decomposing this into all of the components and primitives so that you can reuse them.

[01:36:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5806s) So you'll have nice 3D libraries, nice 2D libraries.

[01:36:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5810s) It's all great.

[01:36:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5811s) I'll get into the technical stuff.

[01:36:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5813s) So Rust was probably essential in this product's success.

[01:36:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5818s) We'd seen people do it at Electron before, but for high-quality, creative apps, you really

[01:37:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5822s) need something that's native.

[01:37:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5824s) There's just a lot of really, really good quality things

[01:37:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5827s) about Rust.

[01:37:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5828s) Google had papers about the low defect rate.

[01:37:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5831s) It starts really fast.

[01:37:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5832s) It's the best language for this.

[01:37:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5838s) It supports all different platforms and operating systems.

[01:37:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5843s) We've got this on NetBSD.

[01:37:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5844s) We've got this on tablets.

[01:37:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5845s) It natively deploys to the web via Wasm.

[01:37:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5849s) so it can get anywhere and everywhere.

[01:37:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5852s) Do you need to know Rust to start using Rust today as an engineer?

[01:37:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5857s) Definitely not.

[01:37:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5858s) I've been using Rust since pre-1.0 times,

[01:37:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5860s) but everybody on the team,

[01:37:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5861s) it's a mix of people that have never experienced the language before.

[01:37:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5864s) Your agents will drive it just fine.

[01:37:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5866s) You're not going to have any trouble.

[01:37:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5867s) It is a fantastic language.

[01:37:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5868s) The one big thing you're going to run into is compile times.

[01:37:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5872s) Is it GUI yet?

[01:37:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5873s) There's this famous series of websites in the Rust world.

[01:37:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5877s) Does it support modern features?

[01:37:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5878s) Yes, you can build rich GUI apps in Rust, UI, UX.

[01:38:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5882s) We've run into a lot of gotchas, like permissions,

[01:38:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5884s) GitHub, scaling, CI.

[01:38:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5886s) A lot of people talked about that.

[01:38:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5887s) I'm going to just speed through this,

[01:38:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5888s) because I'm kind of running out of time.

[01:38:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5889s) CI is falling over.

[01:38:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5892s) We've been spinning up our own.

[01:38:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5894s) We found a good place to get RAM on co-located servers.

[01:38:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5896s) We're moving to that.

[01:38:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5897s) This is a good one.

[01:38:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5898s) So agentic develop versus human review.

[01:38:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5901s) If you're doing back-end work or things that require schema

[01:38:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5904s) migrations, API design, let your humans do that.

[01:38:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5906s) But for like desktop apps and games and anything that's basically immutable, throw your agents at it and give them like full confidence

[01:38:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5913s) You don't need to be human in the loop fully like the upstream like directing where things go

[01:38:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5916s) Just just let it run tell it to build things somebody in our community is is building

[01:38:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5920s) They've got 40 machines rebuilding unreal engine in rust. So you don't even have to mind these things

[01:38:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5929s) Autocraft is a completely autonomous software factory that we're going to open source it ingest issues it triages them

[01:38:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5935s) It does agentic development.

[01:38:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5936s) It post trains and evals on all of the decisions.

[01:38:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5939s) This will be open source soon.

[01:39:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5941s) Basically, we've got an entire app factory that's designed in code.

[01:39:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5944s) You can express this.

[01:39:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5946s) We'll open source this soon.

[01:39:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5947s) I'm just going to have to hurry because I'm over time.

[01:39:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5949s) Injust issues.

[01:39:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5952s) This is open source code rabbit, open source all the things.

[01:39:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5955s) We're doing a lot here.

[01:39:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5956s) And I thought I would save more time for the technical.

[01:39:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5960s) But this is really good.

[01:39:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5960s) And please, please look out for this.

[01:39:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5963s) It will support all of your agentic development.

[01:39:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5965s) It supports all of the crafting and curating

[01:39:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5968s) how you approach a project.

[01:39:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5969s) It keeps your engineers on task.

[01:39:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5972s) Again, fully open source.

[01:39:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5973s) All of the decisions made by it are training data

[01:39:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5976s) that we're going to use for evals and post-training

[01:39:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5978s) on the decision trees.

[01:39:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5980s) Let's take back the entire internet.

[01:39:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5982s) Let's rebuild everything.

[01:39:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5983s) All software, all platforms.

[01:39:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5992s) We can turn all of these things into proper protocols.

[01:39:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5996s) We can open source the entire world.

[01:39:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=5998s) Let's own our apps, our infra,

[01:40:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=6000s) our protocols, our models, all of it.

[01:40:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=6004s) We are hiring, so if anybody's interested and wants to work on 100% open source,

[01:40:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=6008s) none of our code is closed source. All of it is in the open.

[01:40:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=6012s) You get time to work on your own projects, just reach out to me at hello at storyteller.ai.

[01:40:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=6016s) And thank you so much, everybody.