1 01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,400 I had to put this together late last night. 2 01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,460 I've been in a whirlwind after this project went viral 3 01:21:01,460 --> 01:21:04,980 of unblocking thousands of open source developers. 4 01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:07,720 We've had VCs approaching us. 5 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,420 I've been in constant meetings. 6 01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:14,420 This has been a sleepless month of activity since this happened. 7 01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,440 So if you're not familiar, I kind of cloned Adobe Photoshop 8 01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:21,800 and a bunch of other apps, and that went super viral. 9 01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:26,560 My phone, my inbox, everything has just been absolutely lit up. 10 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,820 And so I apologize for the structure of the talk. 11 01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:32,920 This was thrown together as quickly as I can, 12 01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,560 but I've got a lot of really exciting stuff to talk about. 13 01:21:35,740 --> 01:21:40,500 And I think it talks about the future of not only the industry, 14 01:21:40,580 --> 01:21:42,140 but just technology as a whole. 15 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,520 So we're going to open source the entire world. 16 01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:46,720 Like, why not? 17 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,140 It's something that I've always wanted to do as a developer. 18 01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:53,800 That's something that a lot of us in the open source community are interested in. 19 01:21:54,140 --> 01:22:00,520 Open source powers a lot of the technology that we're familiar with, 20 01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:01,840 but it's never been at the forefront. 21 01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,220 Linux has always been a second-class citizen. 22 01:22:04,660 --> 01:22:09,560 We've been pulled into a whole bunch of platforms where we don't really have ownership. 23 01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:15,300 And AI kind of gives us a chance to take the web back, if you will. 24 01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:19,600 So I might have to do this manually. 25 01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:21,280 Cool. 26 01:22:21,420 --> 01:22:22,240 So a little bit about myself. 27 01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,940 I've been an engineer for about 15 years. 28 01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:29,300 I spent eight years at Square doing heavy-hitting infra, 29 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,840 so online payments, the authentication stack, 30 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,060 basically anything that could take down the company, 31 01:22:36,060 --> 01:22:37,680 my team was kind of in charge of, 32 01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,960 and it was eight years of carrying the pager, 33 01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:41,720 a lot of really heavy-hitting infrastructure work. 34 01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,500 And then I've spent seven years doing startups, 35 01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:45,940 and that's a whole different world. 36 01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,280 It's a lot of risk, a lot of learning what the market needs, 37 01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,100 a lot of correcting your own assumptions. 38 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,120 And I've also been, I'm based in Atlanta. 39 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,760 It's a big film state. 40 01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,660 I've been very big in the arts. 41 01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,220 So out of college, made lots of films, 42 01:23:01,420 --> 01:23:03,200 built laser projectors that play video games 43 01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:04,800 on the side of skyscrapers, that kind of thing. 44 01:23:04,940 --> 01:23:08,700 And those are the sort of customers that our startups 45 01:23:08,700 --> 01:23:10,480 or the startups that I built have catered to, 46 01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:13,240 creatives, artists, filmmakers, and so forth. 47 01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:16,900 I want to transport everybody back in time, 48 01:23:17,060 --> 01:23:19,840 back to the very beginnings of the web and the Internet, 49 01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,420 the 90s, the early 2000s. 50 01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,200 So for us millennials, we're going to feel old. 51 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,420 And for everybody that's younger, 52 01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,600 just let me kind of set the stage for what the Internet was like. 53 01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:36,680 We had a bunch of chat applications that were completely open. 54 01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:38,560 So IRC is like Discord, 55 01:23:38,620 --> 01:23:40,900 but you can spin up your own servers that you actually own. 56 01:23:40,940 --> 01:23:44,420 You can use whatever programs to automate them and interrogate them. 57 01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:50,440 without rules. All of the commercial messaging apps were basically, they didn't care if you 58 01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:56,060 used third-party tools to connect to them. Every website had data exports. They had APIs. 59 01:23:56,060 --> 01:24:01,740 You could literally build really cool mashups with Reddit and Flickr and Twitter. And these 60 01:24:01,740 --> 01:24:07,060 were like trending on Slashdot before Hacker News was a thing. And then, you know, in the 61 01:24:07,060 --> 01:24:13,140 more modern times, these kind of trickled down to a much slower pace because the APIs 62 01:24:13,140 --> 01:24:19,420 got got removed. There's a bunch of file sharing. So not not just file sharing, you can actually 63 01:24:19,420 --> 01:24:23,940 buy mp3s and feel a sense of ownership and and everything that you were doing on the 64 01:24:23,940 --> 01:24:30,800 web. And now it's more licensing. There was so much open creativity because largely the 65 01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:35,100 people on the internet were technical. They were early adopters. So flash kids were making 66 01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:41,600 all kinds of animations. There were diffuse communities with PHP, PHP BB and envision 67 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,060 and just a ton of creativity that was happening at the time. 68 01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,040 Wikipedia got started sort of in this ethos, 69 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,600 and we don't really see this kind of stuff anymore 70 01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,940 in the current era and incarnation of tech. 71 01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,020 Websites were highly customizable. 72 01:24:58,340 --> 01:25:01,600 Like MySpace at the time, you could actually change the HTML and CSS 73 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,180 and make it look however you want. 74 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:07,080 So this was a totally different alien time 75 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:08,960 compared to what we have today. 76 01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:15,640 When Web 2.0 happened, broadband, smartphones, it brought everybody into the fold. 77 01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,580 So the technical people got sort of pushed to the sidelines. 78 01:25:18,740 --> 01:25:19,940 And it's not a bad thing. 79 01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,080 Like, we needed our parents and our grandparents to be able to use these products. 80 01:25:23,500 --> 01:25:25,960 But we sort of, we rounded the edges on things. 81 01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:27,580 We took away all the technical pieces. 82 01:25:27,740 --> 01:25:33,640 We made everything easy for people to adapt because they couldn't contribute from a technical footing. 83 01:25:33,780 --> 01:25:35,320 They didn't want to unpackage things. 84 01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:36,820 They didn't know what APIs were. 85 01:25:36,820 --> 01:25:41,940 And so the platforms and the protocols got replaced by platforms, 86 01:25:41,940 --> 01:25:46,200 and they sort of grabbed as many users as they could. 87 01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,560 And sort of the diffuse experimental early web started to disappear. 88 01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:52,400 The APIs got taken away from us, 89 01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:57,920 and then we started seeing distribution being gatekept by the big providers. 90 01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:03,020 Like, we never once had a phone ecosystem where we could freely distribute to, 91 01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:04,460 like we could on the desktop. 92 01:26:06,460 --> 01:26:13,160 things started to cost more and more as startups began to like win market share they realized that 93 01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:18,240 they had pricing power and suddenly your Netflix actually became cable once you started subscribing 94 01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:24,240 to all the streaming services and then they started to get very extractive for companies 95 01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:29,760 that maybe maybe hit the limits of their growth they started coming up with crazy crazy gotchas 96 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:37,340 So the one that got me is Adobe has this, you can subscribe to a monthly plan, and they don't tell you this. 97 01:26:37,420 --> 01:26:38,680 It's in like the very small print. 98 01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:46,480 If you cancel your monthly plan before the 12 months or 18 months, they actually charge you up to like $200 to unsubscribe, 99 01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:51,520 which is really inconvenient if you're going to a film festival like once a year making a short film, 100 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:56,280 and then suddenly you've got an extra $200 bill for an application that you were just using over a weekend. 101 01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,380 And that's hit so many people, and it's really frustrating. 102 01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:05,020 that the web that was once really, really promising and open and free 103 01:27:05,020 --> 01:27:13,260 has turned into this extractive, owned, rented, rent-seeking world. 104 01:27:14,420 --> 01:27:19,040 So it used to be a very special place in the 90s and the 2000s, 105 01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,740 and more and more has been extracted. 106 01:27:23,660 --> 01:27:27,180 This is a term that's commonly used in shitification. 107 01:27:27,180 --> 01:27:30,380 I think that aptly describes everything that happened. 108 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:36,440 Our company started with the ethos of let's build everything open source. 109 01:27:36,660 --> 01:27:41,520 Like the applications that we built in the AI space were 100% open, 110 01:27:41,700 --> 01:27:44,560 not only the desktop apps, but the actual infrastructure as well. 111 01:27:44,780 --> 01:27:49,600 So Artcraft originally started as sort of like a professionally-minded Higgs field. 112 01:27:49,700 --> 01:27:53,360 So all of the filmmakers that I know and that I've grown up with, 113 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:57,820 we were making a product for them to use rather than a UGC-centered approach, 114 01:27:57,820 --> 01:28:01,840 like Higgs field or OpenArt or so forth have. 115 01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:07,340 And that enabled us to give them a desktop tool that lived on their machine 116 01:28:07,340 --> 01:28:10,720 where all the files that they were generating lived right next to their editor. 117 01:28:11,260 --> 01:28:16,220 And one of the things that we observed, and my advisors thought I was absolutely crazy, 118 01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,220 that artists, you know, they don't know what open source is. 119 01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:20,400 They don't need it. They don't talk about it. 120 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,680 You know, GIMP isn't really used by artists. 121 01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:28,320 we actually observed artists vibe coding their own workflows on top of the software that we gave them. 122 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,980 And that is something that was brand new to all of us. 123 01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:37,680 There were micro drama studios that were doing order fulfillment for some of the top micro drama startups. 124 01:28:38,140 --> 01:28:41,740 They would do 30 to 50 grand of fulfillment every single month. 125 01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,340 And they had big teams and no product out there fits their needs. 126 01:28:45,460 --> 01:28:50,740 Nobody's going to go and workshop and build that specifically for the type of delivery that they need. 127 01:28:50,740 --> 01:28:57,600 Yet they in-house have people that know cloud code and they can take the APIs and they can generate an interface that's like that 128 01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,700 So we started experimenting with completely open source giving it to our customers 129 01:29:01,700 --> 01:29:05,600 And they really responded to that and then we thought 130 01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:13,880 What if we could turn back time on everything like all of these things that they're consuming and building would be much more friendly and 131 01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:19,720 And give them way more capacity to create if all of the infrastructure was open source 132 01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,940 if all of the application shapes that they wanted to leverage were open source? 133 01:29:24,260 --> 01:29:26,240 Like, they use Premiere. They use Adobe. 134 01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:30,300 Like, what could we do to give them something that they could actually take away 135 01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:32,520 all of the surface area that they don't use 136 01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,400 and constrain the apps to their specific workflow? 137 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,740 What would it look like if they could do that, you know, 138 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,340 five or ten times for each different artist on their team 139 01:29:41,340 --> 01:29:43,700 that's doing a particular part of that workflow? 140 01:29:43,940 --> 01:29:48,880 And so we wanted to kind of undo what had happened during Web 2.0 141 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:54,080 and everything became owned and consolidated and gatekept 142 01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,340 and just give people back their applications. 143 01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,000 And AI really is the means for us to 144 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,440 do that. 145 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:07,840 So we took a stab at the Adobe Creative Suite. We looked at Photoshop first. We basically 146 01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:13,540 prompted, you know, this is the basic shape of a photo editing app. You've consumed and 147 01:30:13,540 --> 01:30:17,620 trained on all of the tutorials about what Photoshop is. That's in your training data. 148 01:30:18,940 --> 01:30:24,980 laid out a large, large prompt to say, let's build out the application. Let's separate 149 01:30:24,980 --> 01:30:26,400 the UI UX from that. 150 01:30:26,580 --> 01:30:29,460 Let's make everything MCP and CLI compatible. 151 01:30:29,820 --> 01:30:32,240 Let's build out plans for every single tool, 152 01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:33,360 how all of those work. 153 01:30:33,500 --> 01:30:34,860 Let's talk about the data structures, 154 01:30:35,020 --> 01:30:36,080 the file format importers. 155 01:30:36,220 --> 01:30:38,080 We basically built these large prompts. 156 01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,520 And within 24 hours, we were looking 157 01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,820 at a pretty good approximation of what Photoshop was. 158 01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,480 And it kind of blew our minds away. 159 01:30:47,860 --> 01:30:49,020 It was functional. 160 01:30:49,060 --> 01:30:50,440 It was very familiar to us. 161 01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,800 It started 10 times faster than the original Photoshop. 162 01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,500 Now, we didn't actually cover the entire surface area of Photoshop. 163 01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,880 There's a lot of work. We're still not at 100% parity. 164 01:31:00,140 --> 01:31:03,740 But we're measuring ourselves against what needs to be done, 165 01:31:03,780 --> 01:31:05,700 and we're getting closer and closer. 166 01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,220 We were at 50%. We've just passed 60%. 167 01:31:08,220 --> 01:31:10,740 And in the fullness of time, like Pareto principle, 168 01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,040 we could reach 99.99% parity. 169 01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,100 I'm going to take a little bit of a diatribe. 170 01:31:18,100 --> 01:31:20,500 Our team has talked about whether we take this further now 171 01:31:20,500 --> 01:31:21,920 or whether we just go for parity. 172 01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:28,240 And right now, we want to fulfill the muscle memory of all the artists that use Adobe. 173 01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:32,240 So we are going for Adobe, like their sort of interface and look and feel directly. 174 01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:37,300 In the fullness of time, we will build net new apps that have new interfaces that are more agentic. 175 01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,440 But we wanted to do that also as sort of like a proving function, 176 01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,980 that we have actually accomplished something real, completely agentically. 177 01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:50,480 So we did Photoshop. We did basically all of their apps. 178 01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:51,520 We did InDesign. 179 01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:52,520 We did Premiere. 180 01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:58,080 And this, I did not expect this to go viral. 181 01:31:58,240 --> 01:31:59,980 I was withholding posting it on Hacker News. 182 01:31:59,980 --> 01:32:00,860 It got out on Reddit. 183 01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:02,620 And then, like, two days later, 184 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,460 like, New York Times was asking me for an interview. 185 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:07,640 And our Discord went from 3,000 people to, 186 01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:09,400 it's now got more people in our Discord 187 01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,940 than Jev, Suno, Higgsfield. 188 01:32:13,020 --> 01:32:15,480 I'm still struggling to bear with what has happened. 189 01:32:15,580 --> 01:32:17,280 This was, it struck a nerve with people. 190 01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,840 They've felt sort of maligned by Adobe 191 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:20,760 be in other tech companies. 192 01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:24,680 And what we've built has really resonated with them. 193 01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,720 And it's sort of built up this mission to build more. 194 01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,760 So all of the anti-AI artists who have been pushing back 195 01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:35,440 against AI all of this time, they've sort of turned around. 196 01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,920 We actually love what you're doing. 197 01:32:38,140 --> 01:32:39,500 They've started using these apps. 198 01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,360 They've started giving us feature requests and bug reports. 199 01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:44,020 And we're engaging them. 200 01:32:44,140 --> 01:32:46,080 And I think we're going to be able to teach them 201 01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:47,700 this is what an MCP is. 202 01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:49,640 This is how you agentically create things. 203 01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,760 And maybe we'll start pulling away some of these bloated interfaces 204 01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:54,980 and giving them things that are faster, more fluid, 205 01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:56,460 and let them do their work faster. 206 01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,280 So we didn't stop with those apps. 207 01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:00,680 We've done all kinds of stuff. 208 01:33:00,780 --> 01:33:01,480 We've done CAD. 209 01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,340 We've done Flash. 210 01:33:05,620 --> 01:33:09,100 We've done a bunch of digital audio workstations. 211 01:33:09,300 --> 01:33:10,420 It's not just us. 212 01:33:10,420 --> 01:33:12,240 It's the community doing these things as well. 213 01:33:12,380 --> 01:33:15,340 And there's really no limit in terms of what can be done. 214 01:33:15,860 --> 01:33:17,400 So we've done the entire Microsoft, 215 01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,460 well, the core apps within the Microsoft Office, 216 01:33:19,460 --> 01:33:21,520 Suite, there's been Google Docs. 217 01:33:21,620 --> 01:33:25,240 We have companies and universities and all sorts of people 218 01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:27,300 approaching us wanting to use these things. 219 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,020 And we're basically trying to fulfill 220 01:33:30,020 --> 01:33:31,440 all of these different asks. 221 01:33:31,860 --> 01:33:34,020 They're being used on Linux, where they've never 222 01:33:34,020 --> 01:33:34,900 been used before. 223 01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:37,540 PDFcraft is probably the best app. 224 01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:38,580 You should all go download it right now. 225 01:33:38,620 --> 01:33:40,360 You'll never have to use Acrobat again. 226 01:33:40,380 --> 01:33:43,660 This is really fast, really smooth. 227 01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,160 It works on Linux. 228 01:33:49,300 --> 01:33:50,420 It works on NetBSD. 229 01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:51,360 It's brilliant. 230 01:33:51,540 --> 01:33:52,560 This one's ready to go. 231 01:33:52,660 --> 01:33:53,700 So go ahead and get this one. 232 01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:56,080 We did Figma. 233 01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,500 We've actually done the server component for this, too. 234 01:33:58,700 --> 01:34:02,880 And you can basically have your team collaborate on documents. 235 01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,040 It's got the wrapped Paxos multi-user setup. 236 01:34:06,260 --> 01:34:08,440 So we're starting to go into infrastructure, too. 237 01:34:08,540 --> 01:34:11,640 And the entire infrastructure and data model, all of it, is open source. 238 01:34:11,700 --> 01:34:13,220 We're not keeping any of it proprietary. 239 01:34:15,220 --> 01:34:18,660 There's a community that's working on SolidCraft that's led by engineers. 240 01:34:18,660 --> 01:34:24,100 They've actually got an open engineering kernel that manages all of this. 241 01:34:24,380 --> 01:34:25,940 And it's really solid. 242 01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:30,580 Like the MCP, you can actually do 3D printing projects really quickly with SolidCraft. 243 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,620 We've had so, so much happen. 244 01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,660 We've got over 300,000 GitHub stars. 245 01:34:38,060 --> 01:34:42,520 4,000 different people have been contributing to this project, and it's picking up. 246 01:34:43,260 --> 01:34:45,880 It's actually become sort of a movement, if you will. 247 01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:50,100 And we're trying to adapt to how much influx of people 248 01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:50,920 trying to contribute to this. 249 01:34:51,020 --> 01:34:52,280 I'm going to pick up the pace, because I've 250 01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:53,360 been kind of lagging on this. 251 01:34:53,660 --> 01:34:57,320 But we're getting about 1.7 million downloads a day. 252 01:34:57,380 --> 01:34:58,420 And this is accelerating. 253 01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,920 We've got a launcher app that puts us on the desktop. 254 01:35:00,940 --> 01:35:03,480 And you can basically manage everything here. 255 01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,260 It works on all operating systems. 256 01:35:06,380 --> 01:35:09,320 A quarter of our users are on Linux, which is really 257 01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:09,940 fascinating. 258 01:35:09,940 --> 01:35:12,940 Linux has been historically really, really underserved, 259 01:35:12,940 --> 01:35:17,180 and now they have super high-quality professional apps 260 01:35:17,180 --> 01:35:21,760 for creative and office work, which is really nice. 261 01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:26,300 So we love and respect all of the work 262 01:35:26,300 --> 01:35:27,620 that's been done there in the past, 263 01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:29,560 but people are really excited to use the apps 264 01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,200 that they didn't have access to. 265 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,980 All of these things are MCP and CLI first class. 266 01:35:35,980 --> 01:35:37,580 You can totally command these, 267 01:35:37,580 --> 01:35:41,200 and you can watch them build and assemble creative projects right in front of you. 268 01:35:41,940 --> 01:35:47,760 They've been localized into languages that were never officially supported by Adobe or Microsoft. 269 01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,260 We were told that Arabic was not supported in NDesign. 270 01:35:51,460 --> 01:35:54,760 We've also supported these apps past their support lifecycle. 271 01:35:55,180 --> 01:36:00,180 Adobe Animate was being end of life, or it was being put on life support. 272 01:36:00,300 --> 01:36:01,240 We've picked that up. 273 01:36:01,340 --> 01:36:03,480 We've had basically animation studios come to us saying, 274 01:36:03,620 --> 01:36:05,740 we use this for our jobs. 275 01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:06,920 This is important. 276 01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:08,620 Please, please support this. 277 01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,940 So a lot of really fascinating things are happening 278 01:36:11,940 --> 01:36:13,380 where we're getting this into more places 279 01:36:13,380 --> 01:36:14,160 than they've ever been before. 280 01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:15,620 And it's definitely not me. 281 01:36:16,020 --> 01:36:18,180 Like, I started this, and now we've got a community 282 01:36:18,180 --> 01:36:20,440 of, like, 4,000 developers. 283 01:36:20,660 --> 01:36:22,140 This has taken on a life of its own. 284 01:36:22,300 --> 01:36:24,560 They are doing everything from CI, CD. 285 01:36:24,900 --> 01:36:25,640 It's incredible. 286 01:36:25,860 --> 01:36:27,220 This is way bigger than just me. 287 01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,320 I really got to pick up the pace here. 288 01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:30,560 I've made way too much content. 289 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,860 So there are over 300 apps being developed by the community. 290 01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:39,300 We've developed an app where non-technical people can start contributing and use the 291 01:36:39,300 --> 01:36:42,080 basis of the apps that we've created, like the UI, UX libraries. 292 01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:46,680 We're decomposing this into all of the components and primitives so that you can reuse them. 293 01:36:46,780 --> 01:36:50,760 So you'll have nice 3D libraries, nice 2D libraries. 294 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:51,500 It's all great. 295 01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,160 I'll get into the technical stuff. 296 01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:58,000 So Rust was probably essential in this product's success. 297 01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:02,560 We'd seen people do it at Electron before, but for high-quality, creative apps, you really 298 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:03,620 need something that's native. 299 01:37:04,580 --> 01:37:07,200 There's just a lot of really, really good quality things 300 01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:07,760 about Rust. 301 01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:11,200 Google had papers about the low defect rate. 302 01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:12,220 It starts really fast. 303 01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:14,300 It's the best language for this. 304 01:37:18,940 --> 01:37:23,200 It supports all different platforms and operating systems. 305 01:37:23,220 --> 01:37:24,560 We've got this on NetBSD. 306 01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:25,580 We've got this on tablets. 307 01:37:25,860 --> 01:37:29,000 It natively deploys to the web via Wasm. 308 01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,400 so it can get anywhere and everywhere. 309 01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,400 Do you need to know Rust to start using Rust today as an engineer? 310 01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:37,820 Definitely not. 311 01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,340 I've been using Rust since pre-1.0 times, 312 01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:41,580 but everybody on the team, 313 01:37:41,700 --> 01:37:44,500 it's a mix of people that have never experienced the language before. 314 01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:46,360 Your agents will drive it just fine. 315 01:37:46,440 --> 01:37:47,320 You're not going to have any trouble. 316 01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:48,540 It is a fantastic language. 317 01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,980 The one big thing you're going to run into is compile times. 318 01:37:52,540 --> 01:37:53,460 Is it GUI yet? 319 01:37:53,540 --> 01:37:56,900 There's this famous series of websites in the Rust world. 320 01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:58,580 Does it support modern features? 321 01:37:58,580 --> 01:38:02,140 Yes, you can build rich GUI apps in Rust, UI, UX. 322 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:04,740 We've run into a lot of gotchas, like permissions, 323 01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:06,000 GitHub, scaling, CI. 324 01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,040 A lot of people talked about that. 325 01:38:07,100 --> 01:38:08,180 I'm going to just speed through this, 326 01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:09,200 because I'm kind of running out of time. 327 01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:11,700 CI is falling over. 328 01:38:12,660 --> 01:38:14,040 We've been spinning up our own. 329 01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:16,580 We found a good place to get RAM on co-located servers. 330 01:38:16,700 --> 01:38:17,240 We're moving to that. 331 01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:18,720 This is a good one. 332 01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,360 So agentic develop versus human review. 333 01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,060 If you're doing back-end work or things that require schema 334 01:38:24,060 --> 01:38:26,720 migrations, API design, let your humans do that. 335 01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:33,040 But for like desktop apps and games and anything that's basically immutable, throw your agents at it and give them like full confidence 336 01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:36,880 You don't need to be human in the loop fully like the upstream like directing where things go 337 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,800 Just just let it run tell it to build things somebody in our community is is building 338 01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:47,940 They've got 40 machines rebuilding unreal engine in rust. So you don't even have to mind these things 339 01:38:49,340 --> 01:38:55,660 Autocraft is a completely autonomous software factory that we're going to open source it ingest issues it triages them 340 01:38:55,660 --> 01:38:56,780 It does agentic development. 341 01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,020 It post trains and evals on all of the decisions. 342 01:38:59,260 --> 01:39:00,560 This will be open source soon. 343 01:39:01,580 --> 01:39:04,860 Basically, we've got an entire app factory that's designed in code. 344 01:39:04,860 --> 01:39:05,920 You can express this. 345 01:39:06,060 --> 01:39:07,120 We'll open source this soon. 346 01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:08,620 I'm just going to have to hurry because I'm over time. 347 01:39:09,860 --> 01:39:10,500 Injust issues. 348 01:39:12,500 --> 01:39:15,520 This is open source code rabbit, open source all the things. 349 01:39:15,660 --> 01:39:16,600 We're doing a lot here. 350 01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:20,000 And I thought I would save more time for the technical. 351 01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:20,880 But this is really good. 352 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:22,460 And please, please look out for this. 353 01:39:23,020 --> 01:39:25,140 It will support all of your agentic development. 354 01:39:25,140 --> 01:39:28,000 It supports all of the crafting and curating 355 01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:29,940 how you approach a project. 356 01:39:29,940 --> 01:39:31,600 It keeps your engineers on task. 357 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:33,540 Again, fully open source. 358 01:39:33,780 --> 01:39:36,180 All of the decisions made by it are training data 359 01:39:36,180 --> 01:39:38,340 that we're going to use for evals and post-training 360 01:39:38,340 --> 01:39:39,220 on the decision trees. 361 01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:42,040 Let's take back the entire internet. 362 01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:43,360 Let's rebuild everything. 363 01:39:43,540 --> 01:39:45,720 All software, all platforms. 364 01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:55,640 We can turn all of these things into proper protocols. 365 01:39:56,300 --> 01:39:58,260 We can open source the entire world. 366 01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:00,000 Let's own our apps, our infra, 367 01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:02,060 our protocols, our models, all of it. 368 01:40:04,140 --> 01:40:08,300 We are hiring, so if anybody's interested and wants to work on 100% open source, 369 01:40:08,420 --> 01:40:10,840 none of our code is closed source. All of it is in the open. 370 01:40:12,100 --> 01:40:16,800 You get time to work on your own projects, just reach out to me at hello at storyteller.ai. 371 01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:18,380 And thank you so much, everybody.