# Ambition in AI

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ

Machine-generated transcript; recognition errors remain. Source-recording timestamps. Boundary-crossing subtitle ends are clipped to this session.

[00:19:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1182s) Let me just get the clicker real quick.

[00:19:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1188s) Sweet, let's see if these slides show up first.

[00:19:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1192s) All right.

[00:19:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1193s) Hey everyone, I'm Jason from the developer experience team at OpenAI, and I'm super excited

[00:19:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1198s) to kick off this track on

[00:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1200s) raising your ambitions. You know, I joined in March and the Codex app wasn't

[00:20:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1204s) really a thing for a couple weeks. There was no Astra yet. And when these things launched,

[00:20:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1209s) I kind of realized that I started becoming someone that worked on the developer experience

[00:20:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1213s) team and I worked on the everything experience team now that AI can be a tool that allows

[00:20:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1217s) everyone to make things. And so I want this talk to not only to be addressable to the people

[00:20:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1222s) here in this room as developers, but for everyone online as well.

[00:20:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1226s) You know, in this year we've done a lot of different things, right?

[00:20:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1228s) We wanted a better coding app, we built the Codex app, we've been contributing to things

[00:20:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1232s) like biology, folks have wanted to make personal applications, so we launched sites, cybersecurity,

[00:20:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1237s) voice, computer use, and in this past couple of months, we've done some really ambitious

[00:20:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1241s) things like our contributions to math and physics and a lot of new physical engineering

[00:20:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1246s) capabilities.

[00:20:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1247s) It's kind of crazy to think that a couple years ago we were doing grade school math,

[00:20:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1250s) and now we'll be able to like tackle Navier Stokes.

[00:20:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1254s) So when I got asked to talk a little bit more

[00:20:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1256s) about what ambition meant,

[00:20:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1258s) I think the question I keep going back to is like,

[00:21:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1260s) ambition isn't sort of how you do things,

[00:21:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1264s) but like how you approach these things, right?

[00:21:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1266s) What do you want to make?

[00:21:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1266s) And how ambitious are you in thinking

[00:21:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1268s) about the things that you make?

[00:21:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1270s) I know this is a coding conference after all,

[00:21:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1272s) and many of the talks here will talk about things

[00:21:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1274s) like how to run like longer running tasks,

[00:21:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1277s) or I think talk about dark factories and multi-agents.

[00:21:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1280s) But I think from someone like me,

[00:21:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1282s) it might not be as relatable to just say

[00:21:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1284s) that I have thousands of agents running in the background.

[00:21:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1286s) I have unlimited tokens.

[00:21:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1288s) And so really I want to give a talk

[00:21:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1290s) that talks a little bit more about

[00:21:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1292s) what I think is the role and responsibility

[00:21:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1295s) for developers in the future.

[00:21:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1298s) And so using more tokens isn't what I mean

[00:21:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1300s) by being more ambitious.

[00:21:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1302s) To me, in a world where execution is now free,

[00:21:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1305s) I think ambition is summed up by these three principles, right?

[00:21:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1309s) Do you actually believe that you've created this work

[00:21:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1311s) and that you have ownership of this work?

[00:21:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1313s) Can you describe what your tastes are

[00:21:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1316s) and understand how you can tell the model to make things better?

[00:21:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1319s) And can you describe what good looks like?

[00:22:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1320s) And then lastly, are you actually curious enough

[00:22:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1323s) to use AI to pursue other fields, right?

[00:22:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1326s) Are you actually able to expand your horizon

[00:22:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1327s) rather than thinking that you're going to be replaced

[00:22:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1329s) or something like that?

[00:22:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1330s) And this mostly comes from three different fears

[00:22:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1334s) that people have when it comes to like using AI more.

[00:22:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1337s) Are we just gonna create more slop in the world?

[00:22:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1340s) You know, is AI gonna destroy my ability to think critically?

[00:22:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1343s) And is AI gonna replace us?

[00:22:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1345s) And so I wanna talk about these things one at a time,

[00:22:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1347s) and use that as a way of framing this conversation about ambition.

[00:22:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1351s) And so the first thing is you really wanna think about

[00:22:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1353s) owning the work that you ship.

[00:22:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1356s) So the first question is like, are we gonna ship more slop?

[00:22:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1358s) Right? And probably the answer is yes,

[00:22:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1361s) but I try to think about this the same way that we thought about

[00:22:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1363s) the camera when it first came out.

[00:22:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1366s) As a raise of, like, show of hands,

[00:22:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1368s) like, how many people here feel like the technical work

[00:22:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1370s) they do is a creative pursuit?

[00:22:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1373s) Yeah. You know, me too.

[00:22:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1377s) These days, I don't think of myself as a developer.

[00:22:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1379s) I mostly am thinking about myself as someone

[00:23:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1381s) who's trying to will things into existence, right?

[00:23:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1383s) And I have to, again, feel this ownership

[00:23:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1385s) and describe what I like.

[00:23:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1387s) In a past life, not many people know this,

[00:23:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1389s) I used to be a machine learning engineer,

[00:23:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1391s) I used to be a physicist, and I used to be an artist.

[00:23:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1393s) And the story of the camera is something I keep thinking about

[00:23:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1396s) as we introduce more ways of doing this kind of replication,

[00:23:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1399s) as this way of creating things.

[00:23:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1402s) When the camera first came out,

[00:23:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1404s) painters who were busy focusing on their ability to recreate images,

[00:23:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1408s) yeah, they were a little stressed out.

[00:23:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1409s) But at that time, people weren't even thinking about

[00:23:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1411s) whether or not photography could change the art world.

[00:23:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1414s) We weren't thinking about what a movie meant.

[00:23:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1416s) You see a Charlie Chaplin film when it comes out.

[00:23:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1418s) It's really easy to dismiss that as some, you know, silly thing.

[00:23:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1422s) But at some point you realize that not only is photography art, but it has changed the

[00:23:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1428s) art world, right?

[00:23:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1429s) And now we have film and all these other mediums and there's amazing things that you can explore.

[00:23:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1434s) Walter Benjamin says this in a book, The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction,

[00:23:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1438s) a book that came out right when the camera became popular.

[00:24:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1440s) He says, photography freed the hand of the most important functions and brought them

[00:24:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1445s) to the eyes and to the voice.

[00:24:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1448s) This is kind of the same with AI now,

[00:24:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1450s) so I just get to use voice mode on chat

[00:24:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1452s) and just say, you know, do this and do that,

[00:24:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1454s) in the same way that at some point,

[00:24:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1456s) if you're a photographer or director,

[00:24:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1458s) you can just say, you know, move that camera over there.

[00:24:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1460s) I want a wider shot.

[00:24:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1461s) I want to capture some kind of feeling,

[00:24:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1462s) and maybe have a team around me

[00:24:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1464s) that helps me capture that vision.

[00:24:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1468s) And now we live in a world where everyone has a camera.

[00:24:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1470s) And sure, maybe I have a thousand photos in my background,

[00:24:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1473s) in my camera roll that I never look at.

[00:24:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1475s) maybe that is a slot.

[00:24:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1477s) But it only matters whether or not I have captured

[00:24:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1479s) a couple of really important moments in my life.

[00:24:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1481s) Right? And having ownership over those moments

[00:24:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1484s) is the thing that's important.

[00:24:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1485s) Like for example, like 30 years ago, like,

[00:24:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1486s) I didn't really have childhood photos,

[00:24:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1488s) because we just grew up in a place where we couldn't afford a camera.

[00:24:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1490s) Right? And now technology has allowed everyone

[00:24:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1493s) the ability to have that kind of access.

[00:24:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1494s) And I sure would have liked to have a camera back then,

[00:24:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1496s) even if it meant a little bit more slot.

[00:24:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1499s) Right? And so if you go back to this idea of this painter,

[00:25:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1502s) I think the question you have to ask yourself is,

[00:25:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1504s) do you identify yourself as the painter in this example

[00:25:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1506s) or as the artist?

[00:25:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1507s) Right?

[00:25:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1508s) Maybe it means that painting photo realistically

[00:25:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1510s) isn't the skill that's really valuable,

[00:25:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1512s) but if you think about yourself as the artist,

[00:25:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1515s) right, whether it is the paintbrush or the camera,

[00:25:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1517s) whether it is code or clay or anything else,

[00:25:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1520s) these are not just mediums that allow you

[00:25:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1522s) to express yourself and to make things.

[00:25:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1525s) Right?

[00:25:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1526s) I don't make a table and I say, like,

[00:25:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1527s) DeWalt made this table.

[00:25:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1529s) Right?

[00:25:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1529s) Just because a director has thousands of people on set,

[00:25:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1532s) it's still the director's movie,

[00:25:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1533s) and even in open source, we might have thousands of contributors or even agents now running the system,

[00:25:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1538s) but it's the core maintainers that help hold the responsibility for the quality of the work.

[00:25:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1544s) And I don't think the danger these days is whether or not AI is going to create more slop,

[00:25:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1549s) but instead it's about self-erasure.

[00:25:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1552s) Are you going to be a passive observer of the work that's being created, which results in the slop,

[00:25:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1556s) or are you going to be someone who is an active participant in the act of creation?

[00:26:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1560s) I think many people have been sort of moving themselves away from this.

[00:26:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1564s) And the only difference between a person who's making 1,000 PRs versus another is whether

[00:26:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1568s) or not they actually care about the work and whether they are an active participant.

[00:26:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1573s) And so as an engineer, what this means is you just have to use your products more, notice

[00:26:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1577s) when things break, and decide whether things need another pass.

[00:26:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1581s) A lot of the great examples you see online are not one-shot examples.

[00:26:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1585s) These are things that you iterate over time because you feel proud to create this kind

[00:26:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1589s) of work.

[00:26:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1590s) You know, internally we have a lot of amazing work with, like, our ownership over, like,

[00:26:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1594s) the Codex app, right?

[00:26:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1596s) Most people here have an incredible sense of ownership over the product, and as things

[00:26:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1599s) slip as we ship more, we want to bring them together.

[00:26:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1602s) And again, this is mostly because of the fact that we care.

[00:26:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1606s) So in terms of worrying about slop, I think that the medicine for slop is really just

[00:26:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1612s) the fact that you really need to believe that you own this work.

[00:26:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1616s) I think the second thing to address is whether or not you feel like you can actually describe

[00:27:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1622s) what good looks like. And for that, you need to go out and be inspired.

[00:27:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1627s) So the second question people are asking now is, like, do you think AI is going to destroy

[00:27:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1631s) our ability to think critically, right? If I own the work, how do I know if something's

[00:27:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1635s) good enough? If I just hand you a camera in this analogy, like, does it mean that it takes

[00:27:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1640s) away all the effort of creation? I don't think the answer is yes. Right?

[00:27:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1644s) Instead, it's now about having language

[00:27:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1647s) to describe what's going on.

[00:27:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1648s) So when I first started art school,

[00:27:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1649s) maybe I don't know how to develop film,

[00:27:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1651s) I just use my iPhone,

[00:27:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1652s) but I still need to understand the elements of design

[00:27:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1655s) and what does beautiful look like.

[00:27:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1658s) Space, value, shape, texture.

[00:27:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1660s) I would just spend a lot of time thinking,

[00:27:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1662s) you know what, I don't think I understand

[00:27:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1663s) what negative space means.

[00:27:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1664s) Let me go do a lot of sketches and explore a little bit.

[00:27:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1667s) It's the same thing with development now.

[00:27:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1669s) I can make multiple apps and I have to think about

[00:27:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1671s) why I like something and why I don't.

[00:27:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1674s) And most of my time in art school was just thinking,

[00:27:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1676s) man, like, I can make things and I can look at them

[00:27:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1678s) and I just say, I don't like how this looks.

[00:28:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1681s) And what I was noticing was that my taste

[00:28:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1683s) and my judgment exceeded my skill.

[00:28:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1685s) I could not do the thing I liked.

[00:28:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1687s) And I can't just look in the mirror and tell myself,

[00:28:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1689s) like, make it pop a hundred times

[00:28:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1691s) and know that it's gonna be better.

[00:28:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1692s) I have to go out and develop that language.

[00:28:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1695s) People say, like, taste is the moat,

[00:28:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1697s) but I think I generally hate that line

[00:28:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1699s) because it doesn't tell you what taste really means.

[00:28:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1702s) To me, taste is the ability to describe what you like

[00:28:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1704s) and predict what others will like.

[00:28:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1706s) And building this model of the world and of other people,

[00:28:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1710s) that's the new thinking.

[00:28:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1713s) Winstein's, the limits of my language means the limits of my world.

[00:28:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1716s) And I think that's very much the case on pursuing ambitious projects.

[00:28:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1721s) You know, there's a funny example of just like the use of language.

[00:28:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1724s) I don't know if Steve was in the room, but he made a tweet a couple days ago

[00:28:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1726s) that just says, find all the implicit state machines in my app.

[00:28:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1729s) I had to go Google what that meant, right?

[00:28:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1732s) And all of a sudden, all of the comments are just how, like, everyone's apps are, like,

[00:28:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1734s) 20% faster.

[00:28:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1736s) These are now, like, really simple ways of just developing some language to understand

[00:28:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1739s) what good looks like and how to make things better.

[00:29:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1743s) If you think of, like, model progress, in machine learning, there's a really helpful

[00:29:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1746s) concept called the generator-discriminator gap, right?

[00:29:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1750s) You'll have two models.

[00:29:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1751s) One grades the model, and then one actually creates the outputs.

[00:29:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1754s) And what happens is, is if the grader is too good, then the model can't learn.

[00:29:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1758s) And if the generator's too good,

[00:29:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1759s) the discriminator can't help the model improve.

[00:29:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1762s) We are now that discriminator, right?

[00:29:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1764s) As model capabilities go up, at some point,

[00:29:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1767s) maybe the model's output hits your own taste levels.

[00:29:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1770s) Then it's really hard to actually improve.

[00:29:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1772s) And then to make things that are better,

[00:29:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1774s) you have to go out, develop that language,

[00:29:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1776s) and know what good looks like.

[00:29:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1777s) And the failure mode is here,

[00:29:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1779s) just not being able to discern

[00:29:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1782s) whether or not a model can improve.

[00:29:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1784s) Right?

[00:29:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1785s) And again, what this means is we have to go out

[00:29:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1787s) and learn again.

[00:29:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1789s) You have to think again.

[00:29:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1790s) This is an example of a bunch of things

[00:29:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1792s) I spent my past year learning, like in just building software.

[00:29:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1795s) Or like, as I build these applications,

[00:29:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1796s) I realize, oh man, these websites look really ugly.

[00:29:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1798s) Like, I need to learn about typography.

[00:30:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1800s) Like, why is everything italic? Like, I don't understand.

[00:30:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1803s) And I spent a lot of time learning about typography. Then it was about, like, how the information

[00:30:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1806s) was presented to avoid looking like slop. And then it was about, like, motion design, and

[00:30:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1811s) how can I make things move in a beautiful way, and I got to spend so much time learning about

[00:30:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1815s) animation, and then learning about, like, interaction patterns, and what makes an app feel beautiful.

[00:30:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1819s) And this is really fun, right? And this is, again, spending more time learning in order to

[00:30:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1824s) make great things.

[00:30:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1826s) And most importantly, having the ability to describe things is what allows you to differentiate,

[00:30:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1830s) right?

[00:30:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1831s) If you think about these purple apps, the reason these existed was because the people making

[00:30:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1835s) these applications, like, didn't have the site.

[00:30:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1838s) They couldn't actually describe what was wrong, and they thought this was okay, right?

[00:30:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1841s) And this limiting in language is sort of the problem that we face.

[00:30:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1846s) And then so the question now is, okay, how do we develop this new language?

[00:30:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1849s) And honestly, the line that I've sort of been like punished to now is just like, if you want good taste, you have to eat.

[00:30:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1855s) You have to go out and explore things, right?

[00:30:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1858s) People are like vibe coding video games.

[00:30:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1859s) Maybe the answer isn't just to like tell the model to do better, but like play some video games and understand what feels good, what animations feel good, what stories matter, what stories do I want to tell, right?

[00:31:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1869s) If you're building tools, try other people's tools and applications and understand what you like.

[00:31:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1874s) Look at beautiful things.

[00:31:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1875s) I've been doing a lot of like 3D printing with AI,

[00:31:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1878s) and everything just looks like rectangles glued together.

[00:31:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1881s) And I just kept saying like, make it more beautiful.

[00:31:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1882s) And that's a really frustrating experience.

[00:31:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1885s) And then I started looking at like sports cars,

[00:31:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1887s) like industrial design.

[00:31:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1888s) I started going to stores and looking at things

[00:31:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1889s) and going like, let me describe and understand

[00:31:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1891s) what like good curves look like.

[00:31:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1893s) And again, it's like a really fun experience.

[00:31:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1895s) And now more of my designs are like incredibly beautiful,

[00:31:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1898s) for what I think is beautiful, right?

[00:31:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1900s) I've been helping with like marketing,

[00:31:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1901s) and I realized that like I tell the marketing team

[00:31:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1903s) that they should use the Codex app more,

[00:31:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1905s) but I'm not watching more ads.

[00:31:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1907s) And as I'm watching more movies,

[00:31:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1908s) I realize there's great stories to tell,

[00:31:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1910s) and everything becomes better again.

[00:31:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1911s) And this is kind of the really exciting part

[00:31:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1914s) of using these tools.

[00:31:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1917s) And thinking about why I like things

[00:31:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1919s) and why things are amazing,

[00:32:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1920s) why things feel good now is how I spend my time.

[00:32:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1923s) So I'm not thinking less, I'm thinking more,

[00:32:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1925s) and it's really enriching my world

[00:32:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1927s) and making me see things differently.

[00:32:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1929s) And if you're running a team,

[00:32:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1930s) I think the one takeaway here is that

[00:32:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1932s) Like, if you really believe that AI is making you more productive,

[00:32:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1936s) I think you owe it to yourself and the rest of the team

[00:32:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1939s) to make space to go out and explore things

[00:32:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1941s) and try new applications

[00:32:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1942s) and just actually go out and, like, experience the world, right?

[00:32:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1946s) And if you are someone that makes really great work,

[00:32:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1948s) inspiring others as well, right?

[00:32:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1950s) And that's how you can come back with a point of view.

[00:32:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1954s) So go out and be inspired.

[00:32:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1955s) Learn to be a better critic

[00:32:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1956s) and recognize that you're not actually thinking less,

[00:32:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1959s) you're thinking more.

[00:32:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1961s) And the last thing is actually just being curious,

[00:32:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1963s) really, really curious to pursue new ideas.

[00:32:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1966s) Like one question I want you guys to think about

[00:32:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1968s) as you are thinking about your role as software engineers

[00:32:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1970s) is like what were the things you gave up

[00:32:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1972s) or put aside to pursue software, right?

[00:32:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1976s) Where else could use your judgment and your experience

[00:32:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1979s) you've developed as a software engineer?

[00:33:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1980s) Because I think people worry about being replaced,

[00:33:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1982s) but really I think people are needed in way more places.

[00:33:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1986s) If you think about when the, you know,

[00:33:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1988s) invention of like the pencil or sculpting became more easy, all these different industries

[00:33:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1993s) in the creative world became really very much multidisciplinary, right?

[00:33:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=1999s) It completely made sense that if you were a furniture designer, you could be an architect

[00:33:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2003s) and you could like make a movie and design kids' toys and playgrounds, right?

[00:33:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2008s) Like Michelangelo is a sculptor and a painter and an architect and a poet, you know?

[00:33:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2012s) It completely made sense that you could do all these things, right?

[00:33:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2015s) And this is a creative world.

[00:33:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2016s) Like you invent the pencil, you can do a lot of really amazing things.

[00:33:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2018s) But with technology, it's become even more complicated to do so.

[00:33:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2022s) I just can't get, like, four PhDs.

[00:33:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2024s) And if I could, like, maybe I'll just be, like, 50.

[00:33:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2027s) Right?

[00:33:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2027s) And so being technical has become incredibly difficult.

[00:33:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2031s) But when you do cross-pollinate these different industries, amazing things happen.

[00:33:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2035s) Right?

[00:33:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2035s) The physicist was, sorry, the founder of the molecular biology was a physicist.

[00:34:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2040s) Right?

[00:34:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2041s) A mathematician started leading the human genome project.

[00:34:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2044s) Right?

[00:34:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2044s) And the mathematics around magnets is what is used to help understand neural networks.

[00:34:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2049s) But this is now, like, super hard to do, because you need so much information.

[00:34:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2054s) Right?

[00:34:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2054s) Even in our own world, like, we have a bunch of AI helping us design, like, chips and writing software.

[00:34:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2058s) And these, again, are just very multidisciplinary pursuits.

[00:34:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2062s) If you look at what it means to be ambitious outside in the real world,

[00:34:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2066s) there's a machine learning consultant using AI and molecular biology to, like, help treat their dog's cancer.

[00:34:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2073s) There was this public servant in Hokkaido who used, like, chat and, like, computer vision

[00:34:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2079s) models to build, like, robots to automate their farm, right?

[00:34:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2082s) This cross-pollination and this will to create these things and learn and cross-pollinate

[00:34:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2088s) across these different paths is what's really inspiring, right?

[00:34:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2091s) I think earlier today I saw folks who are using AI to, like, make more robots and also,

[00:34:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2096s) like, discover exoplanets, right?

[00:34:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2098s) And it's that curiosity and that enablement of what AI allows you to do in lowering that

[00:35:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2102s) that barrier is what allows you to be ambitious in those fields, right?

[00:35:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2107s) And so when it comes to thinking about whether or not you're gonna be replaced, a lot of

[00:35:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2110s) it really is the fact that you now have the skills that everyone needs in every field.

[00:35:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2115s) It's not just about like writing more apps, but actually thinking about, you know, what

[00:35:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2119s) were the things I didn't pursue in college to pursue software engineering?

[00:35:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2123s) How can I go back to those worlds?

[00:35:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2124s) And how can AI make those things easier, right?

[00:35:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2127s) You can, again, develop new language and understand what makes things amazing and then go pursue

[00:35:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2132s) do those things.

[00:35:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2133s) And the great joy of this, and the reason why these multidisciplinary artists are so successful,

[00:35:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2139s) is as they pursue new mediums, the act of being a kid again means that you have the

[00:35:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2144s) naivety to ask for what might be impossible.

[00:35:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2148s) The reason this cross-pollination works is if you have the judgment you've built in software

[00:35:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2152s) and you pursue another field, it means that you can ask a question that people might not

[00:35:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2156s) think is possible.

[00:35:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2157s) And you have the courage to use AI to help you get there.

[00:35:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2159s) And so there's great benefits in being able to feel new again in the field

[00:36:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2163s) while having all this experience in AI as well.

[00:36:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2167s) In my personal life, I've been learning the drums,

[00:36:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2169s) I've been building custom drumming software,

[00:36:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2171s) AI is helping me learn how to use Ableton,

[00:36:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2173s) I'm connecting my drums to MIDI and learning there.

[00:36:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2176s) I've been using computer use to teach me new software

[00:36:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2179s) that I never really had time to learn,

[00:36:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2181s) and I've even been using AI to help me design physical engineering.

[00:36:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2185s) So I'm 3D printing parts, building chips, and again, these are things I was always curious

[00:36:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2190s) about but never had the time.

[00:36:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2192s) And again, part of having AI is not only getting my time back, everything else is accelerated.

[00:36:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2197s) Right?

[00:36:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2198s) And so being ambitious is about exploring those pursuits, not just spending more tokens

[00:36:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2202s) like building an app.

[00:36:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2205s) And so this is also what I want you guys to think about, right?

[00:36:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2208s) Again, what fields did you put aside?

[00:36:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2210s) How can you pursue them now that you have more time with AI?

[00:36:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2214s) And so when I'm talking about, like, increasing ambition,

[00:36:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2217s) I'm not just saying, like, become a biologist, right?

[00:36:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2219s) What I'm really saying is that, like, part of your job now,

[00:37:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2221s) to become more ambitious, is to be really inspired.

[00:37:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2225s) Pursue these things. Learn that language.

[00:37:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2227s) And also for that next generation, to be inspiring.

[00:37:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2230s) Right? When people used to ask me how to, like,

[00:37:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2232s) learn how to code, it was never a case where I said,

[00:37:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2235s) you know what, like, you should go read a textbook on Python.

[00:37:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2238s) It was always build something, right?

[00:37:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2239s) It was always go build a weather app.

[00:37:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2241s) go build a note-taking app, have a real problem and solve it.

[00:37:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2245s) And now the scope of these problems are much bigger.

[00:37:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2247s) And so as software developers, I think our job now

[00:37:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2250s) is to not only build amazing things and share them,

[00:37:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2252s) but also inspire the next generation to have more hope, too.

[00:37:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2256s) Right? Because maybe software is changing,

[00:37:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2257s) but really we're going to be able to contribute

[00:37:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2259s) to so much more things. Right?

[00:37:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2262s) And like, we see this everywhere.

[00:37:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2263s) Like, for example, the Codex app and Sites,

[00:37:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2265s) these are all things that were acts of love.

[00:37:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2267s) Codex app, the Sites product,

[00:37:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2269s) we're all built by people who really cared about these things,

[00:37:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2271s) or talking to people online, and working through these things.

[00:37:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2274s) Right, and now our PMs can do engineering,

[00:37:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2276s) our engineering can do design,

[00:37:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2277s) and this cross-pollination is inspiring others to do the same,

[00:38:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2280s) and take ownership of that work.

[00:38:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2282s) Right, and most of the things here that exist are here

[00:38:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2285s) because people are tenacious, and are trying,

[00:38:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2288s) and want things to be beautiful.

[00:38:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2290s) You know, and ultimately, our mission of OpenAI is to benefit all,

[00:38:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2294s) and ultimately what that means isn't just having OpenAI

[00:38:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2297s) I have all these AI to control and, you know,

[00:38:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2300s) use agent swarms or whatever,

[00:38:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2301s) but also making sure that everyone has this technology

[00:38:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2303s) so they can contribute in their own ways.

[00:38:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2307s) And so that's basically it, you know?

[00:38:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2309s) Think about the things that you own.

[00:38:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2311s) Go out, get inspired, develop the language you need

[00:38:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2313s) to describe what beautiful things look like,

[00:38:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2315s) and just make sure you're actually curious enough

[00:38:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2318s) and take the time to pursue these new interests.

[00:38:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2321s) And then that's how you become more ambitious.

[00:38:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2323s) So I'm really excited to see what you guys are building

[00:38:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2325s) and come by to the booth to chat.

[00:38:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9JtCCZP2MQ&t=2328s) Thank you.