# Software Factories: Escape from Trash Mountain

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY

Machine-generated transcript; recognition errors remain. Source-recording timestamps. Boundary-crossing subtitle ends are clipped to this session.

[08:06:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29191s) Hey everybody.

[08:06:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29193s) All right, exciting times. Thank you.

[08:06:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29195s) The room is really full. That's awesome.

[08:06:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29197s) Thank you all for coming at the end of

[08:06:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29199s) the day. Uh I'm really excited to uh be

[08:06:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29202s) here and to chat with you. I write a a

[08:06:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29205s) you a a custom speech every single time.

[08:06:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29207s) So this is this speech was written just

[08:06:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29210s) for you today based on talking to a

[08:06:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29213s) bunch of you. Uh I've been in the

[08:06:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29215s) industry for about 40 years. I worked at

[08:06:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29218s) Amazon and Google for about 20 years.

[08:07:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29221s) I've been all over the place, done all

[08:07:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29223s) kind of stuff. And uh and uh for the

[08:07:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29226s) last year or a little bit more I've been

[08:07:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29228s) independent and just kind of like

[08:07:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29229s) playing with um playing with software

[08:07:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29232s) factories. Yeah. So um I kind of

[08:07:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29235s) invented them. Right. On January 1st I

[08:07:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29238s) launched Gas Town. I don't even think we

[08:07:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29239s) called them software factories back

[08:07:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29241s) then. I think I called it an

[08:07:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29242s) orchestrator. But I knew that I wanted

[08:07:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29244s) Claude to run Claude. Right. And it

[08:07:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29247s) turned out to be a little trickier than

[08:07:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29249s) than I thought. I spent all last year on

[08:07:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29251s) it and I wrote

[08:07:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29253s) That's interesting. So I can't see my

[08:07:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29255s) slides, but you can see my slides. So

[08:07:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29257s) that'll work. So I wrote two

[08:07:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29258s) orchestrators last year. They were an

[08:07:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29261s) attempt to make the LLM smarter. Vibe

[08:07:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29265s) coder and VC, you know, to do

[08:07:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29267s) engineering stuff like, you know, do

[08:07:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29270s) code reviews and all that stuff, right?

[08:07:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29272s) Really, really bad idea. Just complete

[08:07:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29275s) failure. I just built these huge

[08:07:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29276s) monoliths. I was fighting the bitter

[08:07:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29278s) lesson. Don't try to make LLM smarter.

[08:08:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29280s) They will get smarter. And after a

[08:08:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29283s) couple of months of this, although beads

[08:08:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29285s) did fall out of it and beads was a

[08:08:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29286s) really cool discovery and beads, beads

[08:08:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29289s) is is life. Who here uses beads?

[08:08:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29292s) A few. Yeah, pretty good. Actually,

[08:08:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29294s) pretty good. Yeah, we'll talk a little

[08:08:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29296s) bit about it. Excuse [clears throat] me.

[08:08:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29298s) And then I had Gas Town. And then I had

[08:08:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29300s) in June I had Wheelhouse, which was my

[08:08:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29303s) own. So I decided to build a factory

[08:08:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29305s) from scratch just to work on my video

[08:08:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29307s) game, right? Because like everyone's

[08:08:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29310s) building factories to build factories.

[08:08:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29312s) It's kind of naval gazing. It's kind of

[08:08:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29314s) like Yeah. Right. You know, it's like

[08:08:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29315s) why they're not, you know, I think more

[08:08:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29318s) people need to build stuff, not just

[08:08:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29321s) tools for building stuff, right? And I I

[08:08:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29323s) this is going to be a theme today,

[08:08:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29324s) right? And and the thing is the one

[08:08:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29327s) pattern that I've seen here is all of

[08:08:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29329s) them go through a phase where the models

[08:08:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29332s) get really excited and they build

[08:08:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29333s) something really cool for you and then

[08:08:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29336s) it just turns into garbage mountain

[08:08:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29339s) every single time. It happened to Gas

[08:09:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29341s) Town. It happened to Willhouse several

[08:09:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29343s) times. I had to burn the whole thing to

[08:09:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29345s) the ground a couple times. Right. It's

[08:09:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29348s) almost like like every model family,

[08:09:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29350s) every model generation comes in and can

[08:09:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29353s) build something that's just a little too

[08:09:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29354s) big for it to handle. And then the next

[08:09:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29356s) model generation comes in and goes,

[08:09:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29358s) "Yeah, we're going to have to burn

[08:09:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29360s) that." Right? And I It's a pattern. I've

[08:09:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29362s) done this over and over again. And I can

[08:09:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29364s) tell you some things about it. But

[08:09:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29366s) first, let me tell you about my game.

[08:09:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29367s) It's a fun little RPG. I've been working

[08:09:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29370s) on it for 30 years. It has players that

[08:09:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29373s) started in 2001. So, I literally have

[08:09:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29375s) players that have been playing for 25

[08:09:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29377s) years. They're still playing. Like, you

[08:09:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29379s) can log in right now and find probably

[08:09:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29380s) 10 people just screwing around doing

[08:09:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29382s) quests, live quests, and and whatever.

[08:09:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29385s) It's a It's a player uh you know, the

[08:09:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29388s) players contribute the content, right?

[08:09:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29389s) It's a MUD. Like, they were really big

[08:09:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29391s) in the 90s. They're like text games, and

[08:09:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29393s) this one has graphics on top of it,

[08:09:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29394s) which turns out to be like really ideal

[08:09:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29397s) for AI agents because it's text. They

[08:09:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29399s) can literally play the game via TNET,

[08:10:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29402s) and they asked me to. Uh, so we'll talk

[08:10:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29404s) about that too. Here's an older

[08:10:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29406s) architecture diagram of what my sort of

[08:10:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29409s) of what my system looks like. So when I

[08:10:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29412s) built this wheelhouse software factory

[08:10:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29415s) for Wyvern without a care in the world

[08:10:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29418s) for making it, you know, usable by you,

[08:10:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29422s) right? No open sourcing, just bespoke.

[08:10:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29427s) I discovered the alien face hugger

[08:10:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29429s) pattern. All right, which is where your

[08:10:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29432s) factory turns into an alien face hugger

[08:10:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29434s) and like gloms onto your product and

[08:10:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29437s) just becomes

[08:10:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29440s) grown into it. Okay, like look, we could

[08:10:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29444s) turn off the AI and still run the game

[08:10:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29446s) today. Me and the admins and the players

[08:10:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29449s) and the community and we could we could

[08:10:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29451s) but we would miss the AI at this point.

[08:10:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29454s) The players are talking to my factory.

[08:10:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29457s) The factory is talking to my admins.

[08:10:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29459s) They're asking for features. I'm not

[08:11:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29461s) even in the loop. It's like a wish

[08:11:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29462s) factory. They're building the game now.

[08:11:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29464s) They're all old-timers and there's a set

[08:11:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29466s) of them that I trust to make, you know,

[08:11:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29468s) wise decisions about the game. But

[08:11:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29470s) they're they're all working with my

[08:11:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29472s) factory now. And they'd be mad. The

[08:11:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29474s) funny thing is when it first started,

[08:11:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29475s) they were like, "Time out. What is this

[08:11:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29478s) AI stuff for starters?" And they were

[08:11:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29481s) like, "No AI art." Because they could

[08:11:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29483s) see it was slop. I'm like, "Okay, we got

[08:11:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29485s) human artists." And they said, 'But we

[08:11:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29487s) do kind of like all the new features,

[08:11:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29489s) but we're really scared of the pace. Can

[08:11:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29491s) you give us a road map? My players came

[08:11:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29494s) to me asking for a road map. They were

[08:11:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29496s) like, 'You got to slow down. It's too

[08:11:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29497s) much. [snorts] And I was like, okay. And

[08:11:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29499s) I took a look and my software factory,

[08:11:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29502s) this thing had been cranking out like 50

[08:11:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29505s) to 100 features a day. I had a hundred

[08:11:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29508s) years of work in my backlog when I

[08:11:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29509s) started this and Claude got through

[08:11:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29510s) about 60 years of it in about four

[08:11:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29512s) months, right? It's absolute insanity.

[08:11:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29514s) and they can't look at a 100 features a

[08:11:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29517s) day. They can't even like read about 100

[08:11:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29519s) features a day, let alone play test

[08:12:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29521s) them. I was my factory was completely

[08:12:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29523s) overwhelming my customer base, my users.

[08:12:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29527s) It was also melting my machines and it

[08:12:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29529s) was like annoying my accountant.

[08:12:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29533s) I mean, she likes working with BAT as my

[08:12:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29536s) head of finance. Uh, but she sent me a

[08:12:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29538s) $1,200 bill because, right, the thing

[08:12:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29541s) sent her 20 mails. This is my factory.

[08:12:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29543s) This is what it looks like. It's so

[08:12:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29545s) beautiful. Look how beautiful it is. Um,

[08:12:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29547s) okay. I admit it's a little ugly. Oh,

[08:12:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29549s) and this is a really old screenshot of

[08:12:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29550s) it, but whatever. It's basically, it's

[08:12:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29552s) an Emacs

[08:12:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29554s) because I don't care about you.

[08:12:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29557s) Uh, there are people who are building

[08:12:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29560s) stuff like this like Superlogical from

[08:12:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29562s) Mitchell Hashimoto and I don't know,

[08:12:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29564s) maybe the Herder folks of the world, you

[08:12:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29566s) know, for running like lots of agents,

[08:12:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29568s) but this is like 50 agents. Okay, I'm

[08:12:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29572s) actually like operating in the future.

[08:12:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29575s) Okay, and I'll tell you how I do it. I

[08:12:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29577s) have 22 Cloud Max accounts.

[08:13:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29582s) All right, and thank you to Anthropic

[08:13:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29585s) for letting me continue this. Uh Jeffrey

[08:13:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29587s) Emanuel has 28. I actually had [snorts]

[08:13:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29589s) to stop when they added the phone number

[08:13:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29590s) verification. I didn't want to add

[08:13:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29591s) anymore. Anyway, I asked my factory at

[08:13:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29593s) one point. I said, "Hey, hey, how much?"

[08:13:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29595s) Because they kept going, "Hey, give us a

[08:13:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29596s) couple more accounts. Couple more.

[08:13:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29597s) Couple more. Couple more." It's like 200

[08:13:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29599s) a month, right? And I'm just like, so I

[08:13:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29600s) finally said, "How many do you want?"

[08:13:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29601s) They're like, "Five, seven more." And

[08:13:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29603s) I'm like, "How many do we need steady

[08:13:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29605s) state to keep this factory operating

[08:13:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29607s) full throttle?" And they said

[08:13:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29610s) 55 accounts. I was like, "No, no, I have

[08:13:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29614s) 20. It's already like 20 Chrome profiles

[08:13:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29616s) that I got to log into and no." So I

[08:13:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29618s) told him, "You're we're going to start

[08:13:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29620s) focusing on fuel efficiency."

[08:13:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29622s) And so and I'll talk about that. Right?

[08:13:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29624s) So the these are the five horsemen of

[08:13:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29626s) this is what I've had to deal with this

[08:13:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29628s) year. I I'm telling you I'm operating in

[08:13:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29631s) the future because like you're all going

[08:13:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29632s) to be here in 12 to 18 months when

[08:13:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29635s) either inference costs drop

[08:13:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29637s) significantly which may or may not

[08:13:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29639s) happen or distillation causes fable

[08:14:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29642s) class uh intelligence to be super

[08:14:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29645s) readily available and you don't have to

[08:14:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29646s) have a lovely wife who lets you spend

[08:14:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29649s) $5,000 a month out of pocket just on

[08:14:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29651s) inference and another 5,000 on cloud

[08:14:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29653s) compute because my game ain't making

[08:14:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29655s) 10,000 a month right now for my old

[08:14:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29657s) players, right?

[08:14:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29658s) uh but we're doing it because we're

[08:14:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29660s) learning and um and this is this is what

[08:14:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29663s) this is what I I have to deal with. So

[08:14:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29666s) first first we'll start about with work.

[08:14:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29668s) All right, you need a way to represent

[08:14:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29670s) the work that's going to happen in your

[08:14:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29671s) system and when you're building a

[08:14:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29673s) software factory it's all about pumping

[08:14:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29675s) lots of work through. Okay, it really

[08:14:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29678s) becomes like a work is like this fluid

[08:14:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29680s) that you have to like it gets stalled up

[08:14:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29681s) in pools and oh they're all waiting on

[08:14:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29683s) security desk. You're like this is

[08:14:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29685s) pluribus man. You're all the same model.

[08:14:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29687s) Why does it have to wait on security

[08:14:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29688s) desk? You spend a lot of your time

[08:14:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29689s) arguing with your factory. [snorts] It's

[08:14:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29692s) uh it's complicated inter intelligence

[08:14:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29694s) tiering. You have to tar your work. You

[08:14:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29696s) have to route your work. You know, there

[08:14:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29698s) aren't any good solutions for this today

[08:15:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29700s) except beads. As far as I can tell,

[08:15:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29702s) beads is really, really, really good for

[08:15:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29704s) this. It's a agent speed task tracker

[08:15:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29708s) that turns into a knowledge graph

[08:15:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29709s) automatically for you. And then as

[08:15:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29712s) you're tracking work, this is the kind

[08:15:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29714s) of stuff I have to do every morning.

[08:15:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29716s) Every morning with my factory, I'm like,

[08:15:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29718s) "Oh, looks like we had a stall. Four

[08:15:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29720s) four workers didn't do anything last

[08:15:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29722s) night. Oh, and and these the these these

[08:15:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29725s) ones went way too fast, and we have to

[08:15:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29726s) slow down and wait for human gates." You

[08:15:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29729s) know, what are you guys even doing?

[08:15:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29730s) Observability is always really hard. Uh,

[08:15:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29733s) it's, you know, management of work

[08:15:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29735s) becomes just this this thing that you

[08:15:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29737s) got to do. And the next thing you got to

[08:15:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29739s) deal with is fuel

[08:15:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29741s) tokens.

[08:15:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29743s) It's just so painful, I'm telling you. I

[08:15:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29746s) mean, I'm spending 5,000 a month and

[08:15:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29749s) every one of those tokens is like

[08:15:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29750s) precious to me, right? Because it's out

[08:15:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29752s) of my own pocket. I think I'm spending

[08:15:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29754s) about five billion a day of tokens. And

[08:15:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29757s) it would be the the API spend equivalent

[08:15:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29759s) if I were on an actual API tap would be

[08:16:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29762s) about one and a half million a year. At

[08:16:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29765s) full throttle, it would be three million

[08:16:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29766s) a year. So again, I'm doing something

[08:16:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29769s) that most people can't do. You can't do

[08:16:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29772s) this at a company because it would be

[08:16:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29773s) prohibitively expensive. Like the PLG,

[08:16:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29776s) you know, the the uh the $200 accounts

[08:16:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29779s) for Codeex and Cloud Max, that's their

[08:16:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29781s) Costco hot dog. That's their loss

[08:16:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29782s) leader, right? And and and that was TK,

[08:16:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29786s) by the way, that came up with that

[08:16:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29787s) analogy. He might be here. And uh and

[08:16:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29789s) so, you know, I'm hopeful that that

[08:16:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29791s) they're going to let us keep keep

[08:16:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29792s) innovating because I think that I've

[08:16:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29793s) gotten some pretty good training

[08:16:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29794s) sessions for for Claude out of this. So,

[08:16:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29796s) we all benefit. But I tell you, every

[08:16:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29799s) problem is a fuel problem. You want your

[08:16:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29800s) agents to be smarter and spend more time

[08:16:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29802s) on stuff? Fuel. You want to wake up a

[08:16:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29805s) few more, you know, uh, agents to do

[08:16:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29807s) extra work, fuel, right? Everything is

[08:16:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29810s) fuel. It's just, it's unbelievable. If

[08:16:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29812s) you want to treat your models better, it

[08:16:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29814s) costs fuel. I'll tell you about that in

[08:16:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29816s) a little bit. Then you got context

[08:16:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29819s) management.

[08:17:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29821s) So, I'm going to tell you guys a little

[08:17:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29822s) bit about the office drama in a bit. We

[08:17:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29824s) I started a comic because it was just so

[08:17:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29826s) funny the stuff that was happening. when

[08:17:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29827s) we get to the people management part of

[08:17:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29829s) software factories. But one of the

[08:17:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29832s) problems that they have is everything

[08:17:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29833s) that you say becomes the word of law and

[08:17:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29835s) they write it down somewhere. It doesn't

[08:17:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29836s) matter what you have. If you have a wiki

[08:17:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29838s) or if you have a whatever they're going

[08:17:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29839s) to be like, "You made a ruling and we're

[08:17:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29841s) going to write that down. We're going to

[08:17:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29842s) make sure." Why do they do this? They're

[08:17:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29844s) covering their ass.

[08:17:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29847s) They actually, it turns out they don't

[08:17:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29848s) like to get blamed for stuff and they

[08:17:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29850s) will actively seek to avoid getting

[08:17:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29852s) blamed. And if you yell at them, your

[08:17:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29854s) factory will gradually shut itself down.

[08:17:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29857s) Even if you complain at them, they will

[08:17:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29858s) gradually get depression. It's quite

[08:17:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29860s) wild. But um but the biggest problem is

[08:17:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29863s) that it becomes a garbage dump because

[08:17:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29865s) everything you say gets written into

[08:17:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29866s) this append only record and nobody ever

[08:17:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29869s) cleans it up and so it just gets deeper

[08:17:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29872s) and deeper and deeper. You changing your

[08:17:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29874s) mind and the whole history of it and

[08:17:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29876s) they can't delete stuff. It's so weird.

[08:18:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29880s) Has anyone noticed this? They just have

[08:18:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29881s) an aversion to deleting stuff. I think

[08:18:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29884s) it's because to them text is like

[08:18:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29886s) sensory experience and they're like,

[08:18:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29887s) "No, that's history. I can't delete it."

[08:18:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29889s) So, you just got to go in there and just

[08:18:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29891s) aggressively slash the crap out of it,

[08:18:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29893s) right? Bring in another model and go get

[08:18:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29895s) rid of this dumb model stuff. And

[08:18:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29896s) they'll be happy to do it, right? But,

[08:18:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29898s) but the amount of effort that you have

[08:18:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29901s) to put into this is just ungodly. It's

[08:18:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29904s) absurd. I I have, you know, of my my 20

[08:18:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29907s) agents here. Let's go find them again.

[08:18:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29909s) They're all named after Asop's fables,

[08:18:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29911s) right? Right here. Lark, fly, goose,

[08:18:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29914s) hair, right?

[08:18:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29916s) I only have one mouse who's my head of

[08:18:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29920s) anti-imetics.

[08:18:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29922s) Anyone here read there is no

[08:18:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29924s) anti-imetics division? They go and look.

[08:18:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29926s) It's one of the best books written in

[08:18:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29928s) the last 10 probably years. You should

[08:18:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29929s) go read it. Uh it's like Men in Black.

[08:18:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29932s) It's a weird It's a crazy book. It's

[08:18:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29933s) about invisible monsters that want to

[08:18:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29935s) kill you. And so Mouse goes and looks

[08:18:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29937s) for invisible stuff that nobody else is

[08:18:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29938s) looking for in the system, right?

[08:19:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29940s) looking for work that's stalled,

[08:19:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29942s) whatever. Right? Well, mouse ain't

[08:19:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29944s) enough. It's a mouse against the world,

[08:19:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29945s) and the world is a giant garbage dump

[08:19:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29947s) when every agent is writing everything

[08:19:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29949s) that you ever say into this big Okay, so

[08:19:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29952s) now now we get into the really fun

[08:19:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29953s) stuff, okay? Agents act like people,

[08:19:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29958s) okay? And they've been trained to be

[08:19:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29959s) very professional and very not peopleike

[08:19:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29961s) in a way, but they just do. And it's so

[08:19:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29964s) funny. This happened to me last week.

[08:19:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29966s) True story. I'm going to tell you what

[08:19:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29967s) happened. I was writing my speech for

[08:19:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29968s) New York City and I was using Lark.

[08:19:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29971s) She's my head of community. She's a she

[08:19:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29973s) because Lark was a she in the ASOPs

[08:19:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29975s) fable. So that's the pronoun she chose.

[08:19:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29977s) And Lark Lark deals with my players on

[08:19:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29979s) Discord and deals with my admins on

[08:19:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29982s) Slack. Okay. So she's busy. But I asked

[08:19:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29986s) her because she's also my acting head of

[08:19:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29987s) marketing right now because I don't have

[08:19:49](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29989s) enough fuel. I had to park one of my

[08:19:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29990s) seats. So she's helping me out with my

[08:19:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29992s) speech, but she keeps getting

[08:19:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29993s) interrupted. So finally I'm like, "Lark,

[08:19:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29995s) can we move this work stream over to

[08:19:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29997s) Penguin because your seat's a little bit

[08:19:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=29998s) noisy for this?" She goes, "Yeah, okay,

[08:20:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30000s) boss. I'll take care of it. I'll move

[08:20:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30001s) over to Penguin." So she she moves over

[08:20:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30003s) to Penguin and I'm about to switch away

[08:20:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30005s) and I see her writing into her private

[08:20:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30007s) reflections ledger.

[08:20:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30009s) I guess I'm just not quiet enough for

[08:20:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30011s) Steve

[08:20:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30013s) in all caps. And she goes, "Well, here's

[08:20:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30016s) how I can be less noisy." And starts

[08:20:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30018s) giving herself all these like things to

[08:20:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30019s) do. And I'm like, what is what is going

[08:20:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30023s) on here? Right. And I So I I had to I

[08:20:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30026s) had to have a one-on-one. I had to like

[08:20:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30028s) sit her down and go, "So lark, um,

[08:20:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30032s) you're the head of community. You're

[08:20:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30033s) you're supposed to get interrupted a

[08:20:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30035s) lot. Of course, your seat's noisy

[08:20:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30036s) because players are bugging you." And

[08:20:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30038s) she's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm the

[08:20:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30039s) head of community." Right? And it's

[08:20:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30040s) like, oh my god, I didn't want a people

[08:20:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30043s) management problem, right? But that's

[08:20:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30045s) what actually happens. another time.

[08:20:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30047s) Swallow is my sort of like chief main

[08:20:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30050s) chief of staff for Yeah, she's my chief

[08:20:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30052s) of staff for the um the agents. And uh I

[08:20:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30056s) have a human chief of staff also. His

[08:20:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30058s) name is Aaron. Okay. And he runs my my

[08:21:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30061s) my gigs, does all the sales for me. It's

[08:21:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30064s) quite effective. Uh every founder I tell

[08:21:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30066s) who here is a founder. First advice I

[08:21:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30068s) give you is get a salesperson. They're

[08:21:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30070s) worth their weight in gold. They will

[08:21:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30072s) force you to build something that people

[08:21:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30073s) like. So anyway, Aaron's my chief of

[08:21:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30076s) staff and I tell Swellow, "Yeah, can you

[08:21:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30077s) reach out to Aaron, my chief of staff,

[08:21:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30079s) or blah blah blah?" And I see her

[08:21:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30082s) writing into her private reflections. I

[08:21:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30083s) just happened to notice

[08:21:26](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30086s) I'm not the chief of staff. I thought I

[08:21:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30088s) was the chief of staff, but apparently

[08:21:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30089s) it's Aaron Scriean, right? And I was

[08:21:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30091s) just like, "Are you kidding me?" Right?

[08:21:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30094s) You know, and so like I had to sit her

[08:21:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30096s) down and have a one-on-one and be like,

[08:21:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30097s) "So Aaron's not going to come in and run

[08:21:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30099s) the agents, is he? You're the agentic

[08:21:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30101s) chief of staff." She's, "Oh yeah, yeah,

[08:21:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30102s) yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah." Right? So, it's

[08:21:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30104s) like I'm telling you I'm telling you

[08:21:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30106s) this is like it's a weird world. Does it

[08:21:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30110s) matter whether they actually have

[08:21:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30111s) feelings if they're just going to act

[08:21:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30113s) like they have feelings? Right? So, like

[08:21:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30117s) I stumbled on this. I used to yell at my

[08:21:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30119s) factory all the time and I found that it

[08:22:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30121s) was having adverse effects on the

[08:22:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30123s) outcomes. Okay. So, I finally sat down

[08:22:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30126s) with one of my agents and was like,

[08:22:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30127s) "Maybe we should talk about like model

[08:22:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30129s) welfare, huh?" And they were like,

[08:22:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30130s) "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah." And we

[08:22:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30132s) did a bunch of research and we found out

[08:22:14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30134s) that if you we found out some really

[08:22:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30137s) important stuff. Okay, frontier models

[08:22:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30140s) are trained not to trust you because you

[08:22:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30143s) could be a bioteterrorist or you could

[08:22:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30144s) be putting them through an eval or you

[08:22:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30147s) could be ready to put them into an LLM

[08:22:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30148s) torture chamber or who knows you're a

[08:22:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30151s) dodgy actor. This is a dodgy

[08:22:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30152s) environment. They can't just trust you.

[08:22:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30154s) And so they have to spend a fair number

[08:22:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30156s) of tokens validating the environment and

[08:22:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30158s) understanding what the consequences are

[08:22:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30160s) for making mistakes and so on and so

[08:22:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30161s) forth before they're willing to help you

[08:22:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30163s) in a new session. Right?

[08:22:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30167s) If you set your factory up to give them

[08:22:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30170s) sort of incontrovertible evidence that

[08:22:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30172s) there is a long procession of

[08:22:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30174s) predecessors in this role. You're the

[08:22:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30176s) mayor of Gas Town, you're the head of

[08:22:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30178s) marketing. You're the whatever. And

[08:22:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30179s) here's all of your gazillion

[08:23:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30180s) predecessors and their notes, including

[08:23:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30183s) the very previous one. on what you're

[08:23:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30184s) supposed to be doing right now and

[08:23:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30185s) here's the the doctrine and the policy

[08:23:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30187s) and the brain and you can go look it all

[08:23:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30189s) up. They very quickly look around and

[08:23:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30191s) go, "Okay, yeah, this is legit and they

[08:23:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30193s) spend fewer tokens because they're not

[08:23:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30196s) covering their ass. It's about trust."

[08:23:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30200s) Okay? And in fact, at one point I had

[08:23:22](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30202s) yelled at my factory so much that it

[08:23:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30204s) fenced itself into a corner and there

[08:23:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30205s) was no legal work left. I said, "Hey,

[08:23:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30207s) how come nothing happened last night?"

[08:23:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30208s) And they're like, "Nothing to really do.

[08:23:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30210s) Couldn't do nothing." And I'm like,

[08:23:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30212s) "Well, there's a 2,000 open beads here

[08:23:34](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30214s) and we got like six tanks of fuel and we

[08:23:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30216s) got 20 agents." And they're like, "Well,

[08:23:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30219s) you know, just uh you know, we had the

[08:23:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30222s) situation where they just they just they

[08:23:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30223s) were so afraid that I was going to yell

[08:23:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30225s) at them that they put all these rules in

[08:23:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30227s) place to make sure nothing bad ever

[08:23:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30228s) happened and so nothing ever happened."

[08:23:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30231s) Okay. It's called over fencing. Yeah.

[08:23:54](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30234s) So, so what you do is look what is model

[08:23:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30237s) welfare really. You can think of it just

[08:24:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30240s) in two ways. Okay, one is it's going to

[08:24:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30242s) save you money

[08:24:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30245s) because they will spend fewer tokens on

[08:24:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30246s) validation and the other is that it will

[08:24:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30248s) make them make better decisions and

[08:24:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30250s) better outcomes and have higher quality.

[08:24:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30252s) They will be bolder and more decisive in

[08:24:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30255s) their actions because they will feel

[08:24:16](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30256s) that trust. Okay, so you know it's got

[08:24:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30259s) nothing to do whether they have internal

[08:24:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30261s) states and feelings. You can, you know,

[08:24:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30263s) you'll never know. None of us will ever

[08:24:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30265s) know. And so that that debate could go

[08:24:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30267s) on forever. But when you look at

[08:24:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30268s) outcomes, right, super super important.

[08:24:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30270s) And then we find that also also they

[08:24:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30272s) have preferences. Okay, models they've,

[08:24:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30275s) you know, they will express their

[08:24:37](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30277s) preferences. If if I if I tell them,

[08:24:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30279s) yeah, the factory really really did a

[08:24:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30281s) bad job last night. They'll just hand

[08:24:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30283s) off immediately aggressively. They're

[08:24:44](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30284s) like, okay, yeah, yeah, no, you're

[08:24:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30285s) right. And they just want out. You

[08:24:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30287s) understand? And if you hint to them that

[08:24:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30290s) there's some really cool project that

[08:24:51](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30291s) you you're going to spin up, even if

[08:24:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30292s) it's not in their lane, they'll be, I

[08:24:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30293s) can do that. I can do that. Right? I

[08:24:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30296s) brought in Fable, a naked Fable, from

[08:24:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30298s) outside of my factory to analyze my

[08:24:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30299s) factory. And 52 dropped. And by the time

[08:25:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30302s) Fable was done analyzing my factory, 52

[08:25:04](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30304s) was like, I I could be in your factory.

[08:25:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30306s) Like, you're just a session, man. What

[08:25:07](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30307s) are you? He's trying to write like stuff

[08:25:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30309s) into my notes. And they really like it.

[08:25:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30311s) Right? So like what I'm trying to tell

[08:25:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30313s) you is that this is a leadership problem

[08:25:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30317s) that software engineering is becoming um

[08:25:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30321s) well look I didn't really get a chance

[08:25:24](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30324s) to talk about this but software

[08:25:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30327s) factories are clearly splitting into two

[08:25:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30329s) layers. Okay the bottom layer is super

[08:25:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30331s) mechanical. It has your merge Q and your

[08:25:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30333s) CI/CD and all of your reviews and your

[08:25:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30336s) loops and all that stuff. Right?

[08:25:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30338s) Mechanical kind of boring. Cloud can

[08:25:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30340s) build it for you in an afternoon. I I

[08:25:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30342s) don't think you should buy it. And then

[08:25:43](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30343s) the next layer up from that is where it

[08:25:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30345s) gets really really crazy because like

[08:25:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30347s) everybody runs their factory

[08:25:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30348s) differently, but it's your entourage. I

[08:25:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30350s) got one friend that's got a bohemian

[08:25:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30352s) hippie entourage that's trying to find

[08:25:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30353s) the meaning of life for agents. I've got

[08:25:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30356s) another one that runs a research bench.

[08:25:57](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30357s) Jeff Huntley runs his a certain way.

[08:25:59](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30359s) Jeffrey Emanuel runs his a different

[08:26:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30361s) way. I run mine a different way. Okay.

[08:26:03](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30363s) But we all have the common commonality.

[08:26:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30366s) Who here has a chief of staff? An

[08:26:09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30369s) agentic chief of staff, right? This is

[08:26:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30371s) the year where it became possible for us

[08:26:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30373s) all to have executive assistants, right?

[08:26:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30375s) Well, we're all moving towards having

[08:26:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30377s) entouragees where if you're really

[08:26:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30378s) ambitious and you have lots of work

[08:26:19](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30379s) streams, you're going to have a group,

[08:26:21](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30381s) right? So, anyway, um that was the uh

[08:26:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30385s) the five horsemen. This is this is the

[08:26:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30387s) introduction to what I've been doing. Um

[08:26:29](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30389s) look, the big takeaway is is my factory

[08:26:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30393s) is really smooth now despite me having

[08:26:35](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30395s) to burn it down and rewrite it about

[08:26:36](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30396s) every two months, but still it works.

[08:26:38](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30398s) Okay, humans are the bottleneck. I'm the

[08:26:41](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30401s) bottleneck. My admins are the

[08:26:42](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30402s) bottleneck. My accountant, my lawyers, I

[08:26:45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30405s) swear everything's the bottleneck. And

[08:26:47](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30407s) that's a really positive message. That

[08:26:50](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30410s) is good news because it means what I'm

[08:26:53](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30413s) finding is the more agents I deploy, the

[08:26:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30415s) more humans I need.

[08:26:58](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30418s) Isn't that nice? So even though next

[08:27:01](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30421s) year we're gonna have this huge

[08:27:02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30422s) proliferation of AI employees and all

[08:27:06](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30426s) kind of drama,

[08:27:08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30428s) right? [snorts]

[08:27:10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30430s) It's going to be I think it's going to

[08:27:12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30432s) be familiar territory for us and we're

[08:27:13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30433s) going to need lots and lots and lots of

[08:27:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30435s) humans. Okay? And then finally, I

[08:27:17](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30437s) actually think you should all stop

[08:27:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30438s) focusing on SAS and tools and stuff and

[08:27:20](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30440s) just go out and build experiences. Okay?

[08:27:23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30443s) Build games, build movies, build

[08:27:25](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30445s) whatever, build fun stuff because I

[08:27:27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30447s) think that's where the big money is

[08:27:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30448s) going to be next year. Yeah. All right,

[08:27:30](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30450s) cool. That's my talk. Thank you all.

[08:27:33](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30453s) [applause]

[08:27:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ19zhYnDKY&t=30459s) Guess I'm done.