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    "text": "Hi, everyone. How are you? All right. I'm so excited to see all of you here still awake and ready."
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    "text": "Um, so today I wanted to, uh, share my experiences on, uh, the Chief AI Officer role. It's very new. I get a lot of questions about it. I've been in this role for nearly two years and some variant of it for about the last five. And, um, I wanted to-- So to get started, I just would like to get an idea about the folks around here. Um, how many are in companies that build and sell software products?"
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    "text": "All right, great. Um, and, um, how many folks are, uh, have someone leading AI that is not the CEO or the CTO?"
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    "text": "All right, very cool. So we'll, we'll jump right in. This helps."
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    "text": "Um, so like I was mentioning, this role is new, but it's becoming more and more popular. And what I found is that it means drastically different things based on two criteria. One is the company-- the type of company you're working for, and two is the level of AI maturity of that company. There's also another dimension which really is depending on the skill set and the background of the person in the role, and I've seen that also vary a lot. And in some cases, the role was"
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    "text": "created for a particular person that brings a particular skill set, right? Um, in other cases, there was a very specific need and people hired in for it, right? So we'll see, because it's so hard to hire for this role specifically, we'll also see that, um, there's a lot of open-mindedness in the companies that, that are recruiting for it for exactly what the person might do based on the person they find and how well that fits and if they can complement it. So I've also seen it sometimes breaking into two."
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    "startMs": 131560,
    "text": "Um, but the really interesting things is you see, like even these IBM studies one year apart, uh, so it was like eleven percent in twenty twenty-four, thirty-six percent in twenty-five, and now seventy-six percent. Um..."
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    "text": "Okay. So the tricky thing about this role is like, it's so great, \"Okay, I have an AI officer,\" but there's AI in everything, right? It's kinda like saying digital or, I don't know, electricity.  It, it's in everything, and it can be so many things, and it can be really overwhelming, right? So you have to have a lot of discipline to do it well and to still have joy and not to get overwhelmed and overloaded. Um, so how can we do that? So in my experience, it's been about breaking it into three focus areas. Um,"
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    "text": "I use the word scientist, architect, and coach. I'll explain a little more. So scientist is more, um, you're exploring, you're experimenting, you're building. Architect, you're also building, but you're also doing a lot more strategy. If the company is selling software product, you're really thinking about creating new software. You're impacting the product strategy. Um, if the company doesn't build software product, you're creating, you're adding AI in ways that affect not only the bottom line and like cost takeout and productivity, but"
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    "startMs": 210840,
    "text": "also the top line in terms of, um, new revenue streams or getting to new markets and so on. Um, I'm putting also there is one piece that is, uh, quite important here. So like I'm in a board-facing role, right? So I have to report out to the, to our board in both this company and the previous one I was in. And so for that, there's also part of the job that's like responsibility for the, what we're doing in AI and how that is helping the company and our customers. And finally, for"
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    "text": "coach, the coach one surprised me. Um, I had spent twenty years in IBM Research, um, running about a third of the global research AI organization, and when I took my first job in this role, I forgot that you have to really spend a lot of time, um, evangelizing, educating, sharing, over-communicating about what you're doing, about what, how AI can help, about ways people can adopt it, not only to your employees, but also to your"
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    "text": "customers. And now in this role, I also spend a lot of time as like trusted advisor to s- many of our customers. So people in my role and other customers or CTOs that are starting to adopt AI, right? They, they want to learn about, \"Okay, what's happening in other places?\" So I do a lot of calls with customers, and I'm never going to be like, \"Here, buy my thing,\" right? Um, that happens later downstream if they're interested. My discussions are always, \"What problems are you having? This is how we think about the problem.\""
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    "startMs": 301340,
    "text": "And I have no slides, but that's okay. Does it come back?"
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    "text": "Well, while you fix it, I'll say a few more words.  Right. So the conversation I have with them is more of a, a trusted advisor. Like, I understand what problems they're having. I see if our technology fits. If our stuff doesn't fit, I might direct them to an- another thing that works much better for them and where they are, and sometimes they'll come back, or they'll just wanna have a discussion again. Um, we have many products, uh, that are also not AI first, so you know, we-- I might talk to some customers that don't use any of our AI capability, right? But they want to think about what they could do in the"
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    "startMs": 339440,
    "text": "future. Thank you. Um..."
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    "text": "And then each of these focus areas has a range, and I think this range really depends on the kind of company and the skill set that you're bringing to the role. So for the scientist, like even at one set, you don't have to have a PhD. You're just exploring heavily. I do believe in this AI world that's moving so, so quickly- Um, you have to always have some of your team experimenting and understanding what's new and trying it out and seeing how it fits, right? I don't think there's a way around that because the tech is moving so fast. Um, but on the other h-end is, like,"
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    "startMs": 377640,
    "text": "the creator, inventor side of the house. For the architects, I've also seen-- I was surprised by this because I discovered it when I got an email, um, saying something like, uh, \"AI education for chief AI officers.\" And I'm like, \"Wait, what? Like, how do you get this job if you don't know about AI?\""
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    "text": "And then I realized that there are some companies that they have someone in the role that really understands the business, and they're really a steward. So they have a budget, and they're trying to understand, you know, people propose projects, and they're trying to understand which projects will bring enough value, and they prioritize, and they allocate budget, and they project manage them, and they report out, right? So for that, you don't need deep AI knowledge, but you need to understand the business really well and be a very strong operator, right? On the other side is more like what I'm doing, which is like you're shaping the whole strategy of the company. You're"
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    "startMs": 427960,
    "text": "reinventing how we do things in terms of our productivity, but also in terms of the products and the strategy and the go-to-market. Uh, and finally, for coaching, it also depends on the kind of company. If you're in a company that's not really selling an AI product, you're spending a lot of time coaching inward. You're coaching your, uh, the different teams, the, the employees about how to use things. You want them to discover for themselves things like hallucination, because you can explain until you're blue in the face, but people don't believe it until they experience it."
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    "text": "Um, and then, uh, as the company has more AI maturity, you're doing more coaching outward, right? So working with customers, working with the community, and, and things like that."
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    "text": "So, uh, I also, uh, worked with Claude and Gemini to help me, like, analyze resumes of people in the role, right? And also job postings of people in the role and match them to these slider directions and see, like, what it thinks, and these are some of the areas it found. So this validates that, like, really it's the person. So, um, the row is the type of persona and their skill set, and then the columns are the sliders, right?"
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    "text": "Um, so I'm gonna give some examples from my own journey because this area's so fluid and new, so I think that's the, the most useful, I hope, thing to do. Uh, so after IBM Research, I joined a biotech, uh, unicorn in the Cambridge area that was working in agriculture. So they were using CRISPR for corn, soy, and wheat to make plants that make more food and use less water. But to do those experiments took ten years and a ton of land to validate, like, if your gene edit would work."
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    "text": "So you needed methods to help the scientists make better hypothesis of what edits to make, right? So that was the way in the door for the AI and data part. Um, and then when I got there, they were like, \"Oh, Rania, you are like a computer person.\" They are more-- They're like, they had amazing geneticists and amazing ag people, but not a lot of tech people from, like, engineering. So they're like, \"We're also gonna give you IT, and please hire a CISO.\"  And we had no data engineers, so, like, that"
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    "startMs": 561660,
    "text": "mandate grew very quickly, very far beyond the \"Let's build AI together.\" Um, but that company sold bags of seeds, right? So where in IBM I was building platform, here I was like, we, we end up, uh, to be a fully AWS shop. I bought Databricks, right? And then I spent my engineer's time building new algorithms for gene discovery and, um, moving from, uh, Box to Microsoft  and, you know, things like that. The IT side, which,"
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    "text": "uh, was interesting, uh, but, uh, not my joy and passion. Um, so that was a very different experience and a very different skill set of what to do there. But also, the AI there was also fundamentally ch- uh, changing what the-- how the company operates and its ability to have great success, right?"
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    "text": "So if you go back to the sliders and so on, so I would say like at WSO2, which is the job I have now, I'm at about like twenty percent scientist, I wanna say sixty percent architect, twenty percent coach, right? Um, and these, the sliders below are also showing like where I'm at in each of the dimensions, right? So we have a small research team there that, uh, we've done some very interesting work. We've really worked to change the strategy of the company that's very focused now on the"
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    "startMs": 644080,
    "text": "agentic enterprise fabric, and I spend a lot of time coaching mainly outward. We have a very tech-forward employee base. We're about seventy-five percent technical people, uh, on-- in the whole company, and people are super, super curious, right? It's the kind of place where if you're not curious, you probably won't stay for very long, right?  Um, so then I don't have to do a lot of inward coaching. I do a lot of outward coaching. Um, in my previous role, though, and I was just mentioning, right, it was very different. So, uh, there, the"
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    "startMs": 674060,
    "text": "point was not to-- We didn't need to invent new algorithm or to make new, uh, foundation models, right? The idea was how can we infuse some of the AI techniques that are well known? How can we gather... The data was a total mess, right? How can we clean and, uh, integrate the data? Um, and how do we, like, inject these things into the processes that they have? In some case, there was more invention for the gene discovery part, but in other places, it was just about basic operations. So for example, uh, the"
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    "startMs": 703820,
    "text": "scientists had a hypothesis that if you measure the size of the embryo, of the corn embryo, that is an indicator of how likely... The size was an indicator of how likely you are for the next step to be successful in your gene editing. But it was too costly for humans to do it, right? So they said, \"Oh, Rania, please, can we use AI?\" And, um, I did my master's in computer vision, so I looked at that. I was like, \"Well, yeah, sure, we can use AI, but you just need like blob detection. You don't need any machine learning, right? You just need basic computer vision.\" And we used a"
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    "startMs": 733820,
    "text": "very simple algorithm, and it worked really well, right? And that helped. Um, and then in the other case for gene discovery, we did some very interesting with birds and, and things like this. Um,"
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    "text": "uh, so this is a bit like I was trying to put it a bit on a grid of how do we think about it. And really, in my view, with my experience having been like at IBM and at the biotech startup and now at WSO2, those are the dimensions I think about, right? Like, does the company sell software? Is the, is the population mainly technical? Um, and where are you in your AI journey?"
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    "text": "So, uh, I get asked a lot what I measure. Um, someone asked me to measure tokens because to see how much AI we do, and I said no.  Um, because, right, it's so easily hackable. Like, uh, I'm not go- like, okay, it's easy to measure it, but I don't want to. Um, so they asked me, \"What do you measure instead?\" And I said, \"Okay, these are the things I look at.\" AI fluency of the workforce. Like, is it only a few people that know AI in a center of excellence, and"
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    "startMs": 802410,
    "text": "anytime anyone has to do anything, you have to get those people? Um, are there builders across the functions, right? Are there people who know how to do enough to get their job done and to really augment it that are, you know, in marketing, in different engineering teams, et cetera? Or again, are you holding all of those? So now I have a small central AI team that kind of works with everybody, but I have an AI lead in every single product, and every product team has folks working on the AI capabilities in it, right? Um, and then we have some products that are"
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    "text": "AI first, right? So everybody there is working on AI. Level of adoption, I think, matters. Like, are you just doing a simple task, cleaning an email, code completion, or are you changing an entire workflow for a bi- better outcome? Or like, we have a couple of our teams that have put agentic employees, right? So you have these agents that you can instantiate, and they work alongside the team, right? So that's a spectrum. And different teams are in different parts of the spectrum. Uh, tool availability, like have you as a company,"
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    "startMs": 862290,
    "text": "do you-- have you subscribed to some tools, and are you reimbursing or paying the cost with team or enterprise accounts? Um, and then GEO visibility, so this is generative engine optimization, right? Can LLMs find us? Can they know what we do if someone searches? There's a lot going on there. We're still working, uh, on that, I think, with a lot of other people. It's not so straightforward."
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    "text": "Um, and that's where also someone... It was interesting, someone was telling me that just yesterday, right? They're like, \"The web has become for agents.\" Like, it's unreadable for humans anymore 'cause everything's being written assuming an LLM is reading it, and it's so frustrating.  He's like, \"So I'm just gonna have my LLMs read and summarize for me, and I'm only gonna talk to humans from now on,\" right? Um, for software products, uh, in the beginning, like when we, when I started in this role, it was about like what should we build, what should we extend, and where should we partner?"
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    "text": "Um, and then I-- we wanted all our products to be agent and LLM consumable. So the docs need to be LLM consumable. Uh, last year we added first-class support for agents, LLMs, and tools to all our products, and this year we're making sure every product can be used by agents, so everything needs to have an MCP server and skills and CLI, et cetera. Um, agent-proof pricing, so we've all heard this whole SaaS is dead, and if you price per seat, then whatever, what happens when the agents come and blow it out of the water, the consumption? So we"
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    "startMs": 948590,
    "text": "are f- our pricing is all consumption-based. And then dogfooding our stack, though I heard another interesting thing today about that. Somebody told me like, \"Oh, I'm at so and so company,\" which I won't name, \"And they make us use our product. And it would be great except nobody takes any feedback, right, to make the product better.\" So hopefully we close the feedback loop and not only make people use our stuff, but they use it if they like it and if it helps them. And then the third dimension is the market and ecosystem. So AI thought leadership is not about like"
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    "startMs": 978910,
    "text": "articles you can pay for, but do you have earned media, which is are you invited for talks? Do you, uh, have publications? Are you showing up in the press because you're doing something interesting for real, right? Uh, analyst recognition, customer adoption and ca- use cases is, I think, very, very important, right? Like, I stay up a lot thinking about what hurts for my customers and how we can make it better. Uh, we are a fully open source company, so everything we do is 100% open source. It's not open core."
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    "text": "And, um, so for us also, that's a really important signal, right? Community participation and adoption and stars and forks. And then finally, ARR from AI products, right? Some of our AI pro- AI products are very new, so there isn't a lot of ARR, but some of these other things can give signal to it as we get off the ground. Um, and also I think, um, revenue's not the only number that matters. Like tokens is not the only number that matters. Um, so this is... And I think what you measure"
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    "text": "should change over time based on what you're doing and what your company is doing, right? So for me, this is what I'm measuring now. Once these things like reach maturity, I will change this list of things, right? Um, but think a lot about it because you really get what you measure. You start measuring something, everyone's gonna optimize for that. Um, so just a few words about WSO2. So, um, we're about 20 years old. We're about 150 million in ARR. Uh, our"
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    "text": "software powers, uh, a lot of capability in over 90 countries in six continents. Uh, our main products are, our history has been in API platforms, integration platforms, uh, identity and access management, and, uh, internal developer platform. We have a product for that. And in the last couple of years since I came, we've added agent identity and AI gateway to govern your, uh, AI interactions. We've added an agent"
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    "startMs": 1099010,
    "text": "builder to our integration platform. So that's- What we do, and everything we do is open source. And this is our whole portfolio today. So you'll see on the bottom the four platforms. This is what existed like, uh, some years back. And the way we started was saying, \"We're gonna extend out into what AIs need,\" right? So LLM... AI APIs are APIs at the end of the day, but they need to be managed differently. So we put an AI gateway in the API platform. The identity platform, we already"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 1128970,
    "text": "know how to do very robust identity and access managements for humans, so now let's do it for agents too. We added agent identity. This was all last year, and this year we've released an agent platform,"
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  {
    "startMs": 1142370,
    "text": "um, that lets you use those things, but also lets you, uh, put it all together and manage the whole life cycle of these agents."
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    "text": "So I'll give a couple examples. On the scientist side too, we have a small research group, like I mentioned. I'm very proud we have these, uh, three publications this year. Two of them are with undergrads in Sri Lanka, uh, that is their first publication ever, and one of them won a Best Paper Award. Um, on the architect side, right, the idea was AI is like great shiny object, but we wanna infuse it in the whole digital fabric. So how can we extend that with these capabilities, like I mentioned"
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    "startMs": 1184070,
    "text": "before? So those are the things that we've added, and Agent Manager is the, the newest we've done. We've just released it. Um, uh, in the interest of time, I won't step, but please feel free to explore the GitHub repo on the website."
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    "text": "Um, so just to close in a few s- more seconds, the idea is, okay, there's no silver bullet. Depends on the company. You have to work very closely with others. I suggest if you try something like this, you have very strong backing and relationship with the CEO, because you're gonna have to work very closely with a lot of other parts of the company. And I've seen also some pr- pr- places where if it's a very AI-forward company, the Chief AI Officer, like the Chief Product Officer and the"
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  {
    "startMs": 1230190,
    "text": "Chief AI Officer are one person, right? Or, um, in other places, that was surprising, in companies that are not software, I've also seen cases where the head of HR became the head of AI."
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    "startMs": 1245470,
    "text": "I don't know how I feel about that. But yeah, I know. I'm like, I-- I'm okay. So it's just interesting things are happening. Everyone's trying to figure out what to do, right? Because they said, \"Oh, agents are work- workforce. Are workforce, so we manage them. HR will manage them.\""
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    "text": "I appreciate that, uh, like, uh, people feel like me in this room, because that room where I heard it, there was not the reaction.  Um, but, uh, so I'll just leave you with this to close. Um, when I think about the... Even for me, like to take this role, I was trying to think, okay, um, you know, what I'm... Somebody had given me this advice, like, \"Think about what are you good at and what do you love, what the world needs, and what you can be paid for, and try to find something at the intersection.\" So since this role is very fluid"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 1292390,
    "text": "still, try to find, if you're interested in it and you're looking, you have a match somewhere, try to shape it in a way that it ha- you are at the center, and it makes you happy, and the things that you don't like, see if you can like have someone work on them, uh, differently or maybe a different company is a better fit that has a better alignment with your interests, with your love and your needs and what you're good at. All right. Thank you very much. If you have any"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 1322330,
    "text": "questions, I'm around."
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