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    "text": ">> Well, welcome."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 14000,
    "text": "Um"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 14960,
    "text": "last day, I guess. That's what happens."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 18200,
    "text": "Um I'm going to talk to you maybe not on"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 20800,
    "text": "the technical side, but more on the"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 22800,
    "text": "organizational side. So, if you're here"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 25160,
    "text": "for any technology, you can still leave"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 27560,
    "text": "if you want to."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 31480,
    "text": "So, in 2009, um"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 34080,
    "text": "a lot of people were telling me the idea"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 35920,
    "text": "of continuous delivery was crazy."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 38360,
    "text": "And I feel we're in kind of the same"
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  {
    "startMs": 41000,
    "text": "era or kind of the same thing right now"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 43400,
    "text": "with a dark factory. It will not work"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 45640,
    "text": "here. That's what I keep hearing over"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 48480,
    "text": "and over again."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 50160,
    "text": "Um but what they're actually signaling"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 51840,
    "text": "to me, we're not ready yet."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 54280,
    "text": "So, it's not the technology that can't"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 56120,
    "text": "make it work. It's not something they"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 57840,
    "text": "won't be able to do eventually, but"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 60480,
    "text": "they're just not set up for this."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 64160,
    "text": "And"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 65840,
    "text": "there's been a lot of conference talks"
  },
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    "startMs": 67560,
    "text": "here about optimizing agents with loops"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 69920,
    "text": "and harnesses and all those pieces, and"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 72320,
    "text": "I think that's great. But eventually,"
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  {
    "startMs": 74120,
    "text": "we'll get there, right? It's not that"
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  {
    "startMs": 75920,
    "text": "this is the rocket science. And yes,"
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  {
    "startMs": 78000,
    "text": "we'll have to assemble this in a good"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 79480,
    "text": "way,"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 80520,
    "text": "but one day, this will kind of become"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 83840,
    "text": "commodity. Somewhere maybe even going"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 86560,
    "text": "into one of the, you know, frontier labs"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 89040,
    "text": "that just offers this as a service and"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 91040,
    "text": "will kind of make this work. Uh and"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 93080,
    "text": "that's not going to be the"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 93920,
    "text": "differentiator"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 95360,
    "text": "um for your organization."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 98080,
    "text": "So, I'm starting from there up. Assume"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 101880,
    "text": "we're heading towards the dark factory,"
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  {
    "startMs": 103960,
    "text": "some kind of form of autonomous working"
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    "startMs": 106360,
    "text": "within an organization."
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  {
    "startMs": 108320,
    "text": "Um"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 109720,
    "text": "what I've seen for the people adopting"
  },
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    "startMs": 111600,
    "text": "this within our organization, including"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 113640,
    "text": "here where I work at Tessal,"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 115880,
    "text": "it changes dynamic of the way you"
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    "startMs": 118440,
    "text": "collaborate around us. And for those"
  },
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    "startMs": 121400,
    "text": "familiar, there's like Conway's Law,"
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  {
    "startMs": 123840,
    "text": "like, you know, the way you organize"
  },
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    "startMs": 125320,
    "text": "yourselves and the tools, there is a"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 127360,
    "text": "relationship on how they interact and"
  },
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    "startMs": 129880,
    "text": "kind of work together on this."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 132080,
    "text": "But today, I'm not talking about like"
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    "startMs": 134000,
    "text": "how do you become better with your"
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  {
    "startMs": 135320,
    "text": "agent, but it is about how will will"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 137880,
    "text": "change your team dynamics, your"
  },
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    "startMs": 140200,
    "text": "platform, and your organization. So,"
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  {
    "startMs": 142280,
    "text": "that's what I'll take you through."
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    "startMs": 146240,
    "text": "Enabling the team. I assume most of you"
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    "startMs": 148320,
    "text": "somewhere work in a team and that you're"
  },
  {
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    "text": "not somewhere a solopreneur [music]"
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    "startMs": 152480,
    "text": "working. So,"
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  {
    "startMs": 154360,
    "text": "it kind of works different than just you"
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    "startMs": 156720,
    "text": "with your Claude code and a team working"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 159840,
    "text": "together around that with Claude or any"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 162200,
    "text": "of the coding agents there as well."
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    "startMs": 166680,
    "text": "The narrative that I heard a lot is"
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  {
    "startMs": 170160,
    "text": "well, the developer eventually becomes"
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  {
    "startMs": 172640,
    "text": "more of a conductor and an orchestrator"
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    "startMs": 175360,
    "text": "of agents."
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  {
    "startMs": 176800,
    "text": "And then I think that's fair. That's"
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  {
    "startMs": 178320,
    "text": "been an evolution that we're on on the"
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  {
    "startMs": 180080,
    "text": "path where more like becoming the"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 182200,
    "text": "managers of the agent, they're kind of"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 183880,
    "text": "dealing with the agents."
  },
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    "startMs": 186120,
    "text": "Now, what I've seen is that if"
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  {
    "startMs": 187760,
    "text": "eventually"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 189640,
    "text": "a lot of developers told me, \"We didn't"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 191440,
    "text": "sign up for this. We didn't sign up for"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 193920,
    "text": "better prompting, writing better specs."
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  {
    "startMs": 196560,
    "text": "We're engineers. We're technical.\" And"
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  {
    "startMs": 199080,
    "text": "that creates friction, like, is this the"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 201640,
    "text": "role that we really want to do?"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 204680,
    "text": "There was a thing that came around which"
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    "startMs": 206400,
    "text": "maybe is more context engineering that"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 208480,
    "text": "put a first step around like, \"Hey, it's"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 211800,
    "text": "not just a prompt. We'll test the"
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  {
    "startMs": 213920,
    "text": "prompt. We'll kind of evaluate the"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 215920,
    "text": "prompt. We'll kind of distribute the"
  },
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    "startMs": 218000,
    "text": "prompt and kind of optimize the prompt.\""
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    "startMs": 219920,
    "text": "So, yes, there's a little bit of"
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    "startMs": 221360,
    "text": "engineering, but still a lot of"
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    "text": "developers kind of felt empty just"
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    "startMs": 226120,
    "text": "working kind of with a prompt and a"
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    "startMs": 228040,
    "text": "specification as such."
  },
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    "startMs": 231200,
    "text": "What I've seen is that when we started"
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  {
    "startMs": 233800,
    "text": "introducing harness and loops and"
  },
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    "startMs": 235600,
    "text": "eventually more autonomous work within"
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    "startMs": 237880,
    "text": "the whole organization,"
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  {
    "startMs": 239920,
    "text": "a new technical path opened."
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    "startMs": 242960,
    "text": "All of a sudden, we were helping the"
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    "startMs": 244960,
    "text": "agent with tooling, building tooling for"
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    "startMs": 247600,
    "text": "the agent, and that kind of reignited"
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    "startMs": 250600,
    "text": "some of the developers who kind of felt"
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  {
    "startMs": 253520,
    "text": "that it wasn't for them. Now, all of a"
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  {
    "startMs": 255480,
    "text": "sudden, they were like, \"Yes, we can do"
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    "startMs": 257320,
    "text": "this. We have that knowledge. We're like"
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    "startMs": 258920,
    "text": "somehow helping this even with a kind of"
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    "startMs": 262040,
    "text": "programmatic way.\" So, I I think that's"
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  {
    "startMs": 264400,
    "text": "interesting that the identity, where we"
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    "startMs": 266320,
    "text": "say abstraction, abstraction,"
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  {
    "startMs": 267919,
    "text": "abstraction,"
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    "startMs": 269360,
    "text": "technically, all of a sudden, the craft"
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    "text": "created some new location for more"
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    "text": "engineering stuff to go to."
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    "text": "Now,"
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    "startMs": 279919,
    "text": "when I get the question, \"Can we please"
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    "startMs": 281919,
    "text": "help people?\" And there's skeptical"
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  {
    "startMs": 283560,
    "text": "people, what do they do?"
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    "text": "And I always really say that these are"
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    "text": "really great people"
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    "text": "to engage in creating better context for"
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    "startMs": 293640,
    "text": "the agent because"
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    "text": "you tell them, \"Please improve. Please"
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    "startMs": 297320,
    "text": "put all your knowledge to improve the"
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    "text": "result of the agent.\" And the same with"
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    "startMs": 301200,
    "text": "the harness. So, if you have those kind"
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    "text": "of more resistant people that like"
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    "text": "complain maybe about the quality that"
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    "text": "things were produced by just the vanilla"
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    "text": "kind of coding agent, use almost that"
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    "startMs": 314440,
    "text": "anger, use kind of that skepticism to"
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    "text": "kind of make it better."
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    "startMs": 320480,
    "text": "And the big mentality shift,"
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    "startMs": 323720,
    "text": "if I would advise a a a"
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    "text": "a company right now for their"
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    "text": "developers, is"
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    "text": "kind of stop fixing the code that the"
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    "text": "agent kind of produced,"
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    "startMs": 334680,
    "text": "but improve the system."
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  {
    "startMs": 336640,
    "text": "I'm I have I'm not the only one saying"
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    "startMs": 338600,
    "text": "this in this event, but kind of that is"
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    "text": "the difference. Like you kind of improve"
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    "text": "the system. And I think it was Swyx"
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  {
    "startMs": 345840,
    "text": "uh a couple of years who said it, like"
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    "text": "stop building the thing, but build the"
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    "startMs": 349000,
    "text": "thing that builds the thing, right? So,"
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    "startMs": 351200,
    "text": "we going on that abstraction where that"
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    "text": "is with context, with harness, with"
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    "text": "loops."
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  {
    "startMs": 356600,
    "text": "And that is kind of the change that a"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 358840,
    "text": "lot of people who are still very tightly"
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    "text": "in the loop, auto completion, prompting,"
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    "startMs": 364080,
    "text": "that they kind of need to think about"
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    "startMs": 365960,
    "text": "elevating this to the system thinking."
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  {
    "startMs": 369640,
    "text": "So,"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 371760,
    "text": "what we're really trying to do is"
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  {
    "startMs": 373160,
    "text": "minimize the human touches,"
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    "startMs": 376360,
    "text": "but still with good engineering"
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    "text": "practices."
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    "text": "And some of the narrative that comes up"
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  {
    "startMs": 381560,
    "text": "more often in the beginning, we're like,"
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    "startMs": 382960,
    "text": "\"Oh, great. I write code in a prompt,"
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  {
    "startMs": 384560,
    "text": "and then it gives a result, and we can"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 386040,
    "text": "keep going.\""
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    "startMs": 387480,
    "text": "Where we now see, well, we're kind of"
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    "text": "instructing it through prompts, but"
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  {
    "startMs": 393200,
    "text": "we're also instructing this like,"
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    "text": "\"Please do it with tests. Please update"
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    "startMs": 397840,
    "text": "the documentation. Please do this.\" All"
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    "startMs": 400000,
    "text": "the things that we're saying to good"
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    "startMs": 402160,
    "text": "engineers, we're now asking the agents"
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    "text": "to do. So, if you still have people who"
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  {
    "startMs": 407480,
    "text": "kind of yoloing their way into this, I"
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    "startMs": 410480,
    "text": "think you should tell them, \"No, stop"
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    "startMs": 412480,
    "text": "doing this.\" Like, engineering practices"
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    "text": "still matter for you to maintain the"
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    "text": "system, and also for the agent to keep"
  },
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    "text": "getting better at this."
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    "text": "What I started seeing in some of the"
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    "text": "more advanced kind of teams is that"
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    "text": "their rituals of"
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    "text": "\"Hey, we're doing a planning, and we're"
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    "text": "doing a retro in a team.\""
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    "text": "That they weren't about like, \"Hey, we"
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    "text": "had issues with the code.\""
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    "text": "But we're saying, \"We had issues with"
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    "text": "the system.\""
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    "startMs": 442480,
    "text": "So, on the retro part is like, \"Hey, the"
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    "text": "problem."
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    "text": "Can we fix the system?\" That's something"
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    "text": "you'll learn in the retro."
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    "text": "And on the planning side, what I started"
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    "text": "seeing is that things who were that were"
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    "text": "they were well-defined and what still"
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    "startMs": 473200,
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  {
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    "text": "straight go into agents, well-defined,"
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    "startMs": 476960,
    "text": "and the harness is getting better, and"
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    "startMs": 478680,
    "text": "this is conversational things that we"
  },
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    "startMs": 480600,
    "text": "need to decide as a team.\""
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    "startMs": 484200,
    "text": "And"
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    "startMs": 486440,
    "text": "what I find important is you"
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    "startMs": 488640,
    "text": "there's a certain"
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    "text": "kind of cycle that developers go"
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    "text": "through. Yes, they learn first about"
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    "startMs": 493720,
    "text": "prompting, they get better, specs,"
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    "startMs": 496160,
    "text": "context, harness loop. Also, the"
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    "startMs": 498600,
    "text": "industry is learning like that."
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    "startMs": 500800,
    "text": "But, there is the lead of the team"
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    "startMs": 504280,
    "text": "can say, \"Well, stop prompting."
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    "startMs": 507400,
    "text": "Make the context reusable.\""
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  {
    "startMs": 509320,
    "text": "Now, we got that. Now, we jump to the"
  },
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    "startMs": 511000,
    "text": "next. So, part of the team lead is"
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  {
    "startMs": 513240,
    "text": "putting that pace and almost that"
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    "startMs": 515280,
    "text": "constraint and that directive in the"
  },
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    "startMs": 517080,
    "text": "team where it is doesn't work where you"
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  {
    "startMs": 520039,
    "text": "just say, \"Go figure it out and do"
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    "text": "something on your own.\""
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  {
    "startMs": 525640,
    "text": "And one of the impacts of that is that"
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    "startMs": 528960,
    "text": "if you start producing as a team more,"
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    "startMs": 532600,
    "text": "the people downstream,"
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    "startMs": 534360,
    "text": "GTM,"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 536040,
    "text": "people like that,"
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  {
    "startMs": 537440,
    "text": "they have a hard time keeping up. Even"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 539040,
    "text": "users have a hard time keeping up. So,"
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    "startMs": 540880,
    "text": "you need to help them also with"
  },
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    "startMs": 542240,
    "text": "automation. So, your harness doesn't"
  },
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    "startMs": 543839,
    "text": "stop at your coding. It also is extended"
  },
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    "startMs": 547280,
    "text": "to those people as well. And the same"
  },
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    "startMs": 549720,
    "text": "thing with kind of requiring uh like"
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    "startMs": 552080,
    "text": "gathering requirements, the input might"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 555000,
    "text": "not come fast enough for your team. So,"
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    "text": "you invest in situational awareness as"
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    "startMs": 1257600,
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  {
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    "text": "reliable, but can I keep it reliable"
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  {
    "startMs": 1262240,
    "text": "while changing more of the system."
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  {
    "startMs": 1267000,
    "text": "I'm working on a website that kind of"
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    "startMs": 1271880,
    "text": "enablement patterns that I described. I"
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  {
    "startMs": 1273720,
    "text": "couldn't list them all within this time."
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  {
    "startMs": 1276800,
    "text": "Tell me what you're missing. I'm trying"
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    "startMs": 1280680,
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  {
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  {
    "startMs": 1284920,
    "text": "I am happy to put on a link in there as"
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  {
    "startMs": 1288120,
    "text": "well."
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  {
    "startMs": 1289080,
    "text": "And if you're interested in kind of the"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 1291200,
    "text": "slides, happy to share those. And I"
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    "text": "if there's one takeaway, it's not the"
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    "text": "solo player that will win the game."
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    "text": "It's kind of like at the different"
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    "text": "levels how we improve our organizations."
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  {
    "startMs": 1303720,
    "text": "Thank you very very much for listening"
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  {
    "startMs": 1305480,
    "text": "and"
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    "text": "I hope it was useful."
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