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    "text": "It was not that long ago that if you"
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    "text": "It was not that long ago that if you"
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    "text": "It was not that long ago that if you wanted to make a call, any call, right,"
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    "text": "wanted to make a call, any call, right,"
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    "text": "wanted to make a call, any call, right, that could be to a friend, to a"
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    "startMs": 19109,
    "text": "that could be to a friend, to a"
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    "text": "that could be to a friend, to a colleague, could be to make a payment,"
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    "text": "colleague, could be to make a payment,"
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    "text": "colleague, could be to make a payment, you'd have to call and there would be"
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    "text": "someone to to actually make the connection, right? Um, these are"
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    "text": "connection, right? Um, these are"
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    "startMs": 27359,
    "text": "connection, right? Um, these are switchboard operators for folks who have"
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    "text": "switchboard operators for folks who have"
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    "startMs": 30160,
    "text": "switchboard operators for folks who have forgotten that this was still our"
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    "text": "forgotten that this was still our reality not too long ago. And since"
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    "text": "reality not too long ago. And since"
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    "text": "reality not too long ago. And since then, we've been very successful at"
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    "text": "then, we've been very successful at"
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    "text": "then, we've been very successful at abstracting away from any sort of manual"
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    "text": "our use of technology. And we seem to be"
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    "text": "our use of technology. And we seem to be on that path um, still today, right?"
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    "text": "on that path um, still today, right?"
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    "text": "on that path um, still today, right? Especially today perhaps with agents."
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    "text": "Especially today perhaps with agents."
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    "text": "Especially today perhaps with agents. But I'm here to tell you that we perhaps"
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    "text": "But I'm here to tell you that we perhaps might want to go back in certain cases."
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    "text": "might want to go back in certain cases. And so that's what I'll try to argue for"
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    "text": "And so that's what I'll try to argue for"
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    "text": "And so that's what I'll try to argue for here in this talk."
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    "text": "here in this talk."
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    "text": "here in this talk. But before we go back to that analogy, I"
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    "text": "But before we go back to that analogy, I"
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    "text": "But before we go back to that analogy, I want to ask a simple question. Um, who"
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    "text": "want to ask a simple question. Um, who"
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    "startMs": 63920,
    "text": "want to ask a simple question. Um, who here has ever had to join a call,"
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    "text": "here has ever had to join a call,"
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    "startMs": 66400,
    "text": "here has ever had to join a call, whether you know like a regular phone"
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    "text": "whether you know like a regular phone"
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    "text": "whether you know like a regular phone call or a Zoom call to prove that it's"
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    "text": "call or a Zoom call to prove that it's"
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    "text": "call or a Zoom call to prove that it's actually you, you and and are human"
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    "text": "actually you, you and and are human hands. Show of hands. Come on. All"
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    "text": "hands. Show of hands. Come on. All"
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    "startMs": 75920,
    "text": "hands. Show of hands. Come on. All right. Okay. Okay. Majority. Awesome."
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    "startMs": 77910,
    "text": "right. Okay. Okay. Majority. Awesome."
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    "startMs": 77920,
    "text": "right. Okay. Okay. Majority. Awesome. Great. Um well it it's still very much"
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    "text": "Great. Um well it it's still very much"
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    "text": "Great. Um well it it's still very much the case that for many important tasks"
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    "text": "the case that for many important tasks"
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    "text": "for many important things there there is this requirement right um for folks here"
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    "text": "this requirement right um for folks here"
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    "text": "this requirement right um for folks here since we're you know this is like a Wall"
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    "text": "finance stuff. Uh there's many other"
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    "text": "finance stuff. Uh there's many other examples of this too. Um if you've ever"
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    "text": "examples of this too. Um if you've ever"
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    "text": "examples of this too. Um if you've ever worked for a big uh organization that"
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    "text": "doesn't have just one office, uh chances are you had to, you know, uh join a Zoom"
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    "text": "are you had to, you know, uh join a Zoom"
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    "text": "are you had to, you know, uh join a Zoom call to recover your account or if you"
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    "text": "call to recover your account or if you"
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    "text": "call to recover your account or if you want to notoriize something online."
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    "text": "want to notoriize something online."
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    "text": "There's just many many many use cases where we still rely on this on this"
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    "text": "a human uh on the other side. And so I"
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    "text": "like a password or 2FA is not enough."
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    "text": "like a password or 2FA is not enough. And uh today I actually want to examine"
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    "text": "And uh today I actually want to examine"
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    "text": "And uh today I actually want to examine this because you know if if you saw or"
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    "text": "if you remember this list these are pretty important things right these are"
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    "text": "pretty important things right these are"
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    "text": "pretty important things right these are pretty critical things and a wire"
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    "text": "side and third where to go from here. So let's start with this with this first"
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    "text": "loop that verification loop safe and verifiable. Thanks so much. [applause]"
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