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    "text": "Hello everyone. I'm Jonathan Gordon. I'm"
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    "text": "a founder of Reweaver AAI, a new"
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    "text": "company, you know, on the scene, let's"
  },
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    "text": "say. I want to share one thing with all"
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    "text": "of you that was really fascinating. So,"
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    "startMs": 23359,
    "text": "I I plugged in my laptop and I realized"
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    "text": "I had to mirror. So, I no longer have my"
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  {
    "startMs": 29279,
    "text": "speaker notes. So, I went into Claude"
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    "startMs": 31760,
    "text": "and I said, \"Can you extract my speaker"
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  {
    "startMs": 33440,
    "text": "notes from my slide deck, please?\" And I"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 35600,
    "text": "had my speaker notes now."
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    "text": "I love AI."
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    "startMs": 41440,
    "text": "The suspense was killing me. I was"
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    "startMs": 43120,
    "text": "talking to Claude"
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  {
    "startMs": 45040,
    "text": "now. Who knows if it got it right. I"
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  {
    "startMs": 46640,
    "text": "don't know. Whatever. Um, so I also"
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  {
    "startMs": 49200,
    "text": "realized that my title slide buried the"
  },
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    "startMs": 50960,
    "text": "lead. I shouldn't have put it up. Um,"
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    "startMs": 53680,
    "text": "but nonetheless, let's play with this."
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  {
    "startMs": 56800,
    "text": "So, uh, yeah, my name is Jonathan. Um,"
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    "text": "I'm here to talk to you about the design"
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    "startMs": 60719,
    "text": "code roundtrip that isn't."
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    "text": "And I guess probably the best thing to"
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    "text": "do first is to explain what I think a"
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    "text": "design code roundtrip should be. Um the"
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    "startMs": 73600,
    "text": "design code roundtrip is a full loop"
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    "startMs": 77200,
    "text": "between design and engineering in both"
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    "startMs": 81920,
    "text": "directions without any loss of fidelity"
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    "text": "and with a persistent provenence. So it"
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    "startMs": 88560,
    "text": "knows exactly where everything came"
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    "startMs": 90159,
    "text": "from. You know that perfect dream world"
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    "text": "that we live in where there is no drift"
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    "startMs": 97439,
    "text": "in between the gaps of design and code."
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    "startMs": 102159,
    "text": "Um, today's tools, design is amazing."
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  {
    "startMs": 105520,
    "text": "It's incredible. It's magic. It's I ask"
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  {
    "startMs": 107759,
    "text": "for something, I get it. It's clickable."
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  {
    "startMs": 109439,
    "text": "It's interactive. It's amazing to me."
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    "text": "But nobody really looks at the code"
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    "startMs": 114000,
    "text": "anymore, it seems. And so, I kind of"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 117200,
    "text": "want to go there. I want to go into that"
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    "text": "space."
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    "startMs": 120320,
    "text": "Whoops. Of course, I have to get my"
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  {
    "startMs": 122079,
    "text": "mouse to the right location. There we"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 124640,
    "text": "go. Um, a little bit about me."
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  {
    "startMs": 127680,
    "text": "past 30 plus years um I've been building"
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    "text": "and designing coding tools developer"
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    "text": "tools idees at these companies um so"
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    "text": "I've spent a lot of time with as a"
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    "text": "designer I've spent a lot of time with"
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    "text": "design and engineering teams trying to"
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    "text": "understand"
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    "text": "how do we do that handoff well how do we"
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    "text": "hand off from design to code how do we"
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    "text": "get what we wanted to be delivered to"
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    "startMs": 153760,
    "text": "the customer um it was never a perfect"
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    "startMs": 156879,
    "text": "science We never got it. We never found"
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    "text": "that magic sauce that just made"
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    "text": "everything come together where intent"
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    "text": "matched the outcome."
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    "startMs": 167920,
    "text": "Um, but I developed techniques. I"
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    "text": "negotiated with engineers. I brought"
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    "text": "them out for drinks. I made them my"
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    "text": "friends. Um, I got things delivered to"
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    "text": "customers."
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    "text": "But the the loop was never closed. Um,"
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    "text": "and it's because our outcomes diverged."
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    "text": "engineering had one set of requirements,"
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    "text": "technical constraints, design had a"
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    "text": "vision for the future, a new rebranding,"
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    "text": "whatever. So, this has existed, you"
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  {
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    "text": "know, dare I say, for decades."
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    "text": "Um, then along comes AI"
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    "text": "and LLM and prompting ourself into a"
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    "text": "fully running application. In a sense,"
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    "text": "now we have one intelligence that"
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    "text": "intel in intelligence can write code. So"
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    "text": "I thought to myself, oh my god, I think"
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    "text": "we might be able to close this loop. At"
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    "text": "the speed of inference, we could close"
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    "text": "this loop. And so I was curious. Um, I'm"
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  {
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    "text": "curious by nature. So I went all in."
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    "text": "That's my GitHub before vibe coding"
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    "startMs": 235040,
    "text": "happened on the left on on my left on"
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    "startMs": 238799,
    "text": "your whatever. Um then after so I think"
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    "text": "everybody probably gets a sense of what"
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    "text": "my life was like from April 2025. And if"
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    "startMs": 248319,
    "text": "you want to scroll till today it's it's"
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    "startMs": 251200,
    "text": "even more so. Um, I got this email from"
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    "text": "cursor one day that said I was in the"
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    "startMs": 261680,
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    "startMs": 263840,
    "text": "more time outside."
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    "startMs": 268320,
    "text": "Then there was a bill. Um,"
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    "text": "but at the time it was the $20 deal and"
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    "startMs": 275680,
    "text": "every now and again I'd pay for a little"
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    "text": "bit more, get another hit. Um,"
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    "startMs": 281360,
    "text": "and this was my life vibe coding from"
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    "startMs": 284479,
    "text": "that point in April"
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    "text": "until today. Um, I'm trying to figure"
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    "text": "out can I go from design to code? Can I"
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    "text": "go from code to design? Can I build a"
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    "text": "tool to go from design to code and code"
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    "text": "to design a full round trip without any"
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    "text": "loss of fidelity? That pixel perfect"
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    "startMs": 302639,
    "text": "dream that we have. Um, I remember"
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    "startMs": 306639,
    "text": "vividly uh one day I was, you know, just"
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    "text": "hammering away at the keyboard, just"
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    "startMs": 312560,
    "text": "vibing my way. I was really feeling the"
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    "text": "vibe. And, uh, this wall of text was"
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    "text": "coming by and I was completely ignoring"
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    "text": "it and code was being written, just"
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    "text": "seeing a statement that was an inner"
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    "text": "And I remember from way back when that"
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    "startMs": 340400,
    "text": "minute, wait a minute.\" to my LM, \"Wait"
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    "text": "a minute, what did you just do?\" And it"
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    "text": "\"Revert that. Do this instead.\" Blah"
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    "text": "blah. And I got into this mode of like,"
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    "text": "little bit better. Maybe I can't just go"
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    "text": "blindly in. Maybe I need to look at the"
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    "text": "code now."
  },
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    "startMs": 360000,
    "text": "And I've looked at a lot of code in my"
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    "text": "life. So I went ahead and went in and"
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    "startMs": 363919,
    "text": "looked at the code and I Whoops. I'm"
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  {
    "startMs": 367039,
    "text": "sorry. I clicked too ahead and I found I"
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  {
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    "text": "found issues. And so I went a little bit"
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    "text": "deeper"
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  {
    "startMs": 374400,
    "text": "when the industry started to tell me"
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    "text": "room might remember back in February,"
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  {
    "startMs": 389520,
    "text": "no slam on anthropic or Figma, there was"
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    "text": "this demo that showed going from cloud"
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    "text": "code into Figma. And it was magic. It"
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    "text": "was incredible. I couldn't believe you"
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  {
    "startMs": 406080,
    "text": "go deeper and I had to look deeper in"
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  {
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    "text": "the same way that I looked at vibe"
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    "text": "real? So I went deeper and then more"
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  {
    "startMs": 413440,
    "text": "announcements were made all the way up"
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    "startMs": 415440,
    "text": "until last week when Figma config"
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    "text": "announced that code is now material."
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    "startMs": 420720,
    "text": "Does that mean there is no even handoff"
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    "startMs": 423520,
    "text": "that exists anymore? Um so I'm"
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  {
    "startMs": 426400,
    "text": "monitoring trying to keep up. Things are"
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  {
    "startMs": 428720,
    "text": "happening at warp speed."
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  {
    "startMs": 431680,
    "text": "But they said the roundtrip was solved"
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  {
    "startMs": 433599,
    "text": "and I started messing around and"
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  {
    "startMs": 436479,
    "text": "realized it wasn't. And so I want to"
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    "startMs": 438479,
    "text": "share with all of you"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 441039,
    "text": "a harness that I built. Whoops. Oh, wait"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 444720,
    "text": "a minute. Local host, where are you?"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 447440,
    "text": "Local host,"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 449919,
    "text": "come back to me, local host. Okay."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 453199,
    "text": "I don't know what I don't know what just"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 454560,
    "text": "happened there. And now I'm afraid to"
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  {
    "startMs": 456080,
    "text": "restart this. Um, okay. I think we're I"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 458479,
    "text": "think we're okay. Um, I created this"
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  {
    "startMs": 460960,
    "text": "harness. And what this harness is is on."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 464800,
    "text": "I'm going to say left. I hope everybody"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 466960,
    "text": "is that your left. It is your left."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 468400,
    "text": "Okay, good. [laughter]"
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    "startMs": 470080,
    "text": "On your left is code that was generated"
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    "startMs": 472080,
    "text": "by AI. This is this is all real what"
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    "startMs": 474479,
    "text": "you're seeing here. Generated by AI and"
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  {
    "startMs": 478240,
    "text": "on your right is a design. Be it a"
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    "startMs": 482240,
    "text": "canvas that that I created in Figma, be"
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  {
    "startMs": 484560,
    "text": "it something I created in Sketch. It's"
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    "text": "not really relevant what the sources are"
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    "text": "here, but the reality is I'm trying to"
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    "startMs": 491039,
    "text": "illustrate a round trip. And so a round"
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    "text": "with design and it has a prompt"
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    "startMs": 498800,
    "text": "associated with it. So some some LLM I"
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    "text": "call off and I say in this instance I"
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    "startMs": 504000,
    "text": "want to take this form and I want to"
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    "text": "build a design system from it. So there"
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    "startMs": 507680,
    "text": "there are tools that do this that can"
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    "text": "extract code and build design systems"
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    "text": "from graphical canvases. And so I can do"
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    "text": "that. And it updated the code and"
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    "startMs": 518159,
    "text": "created some styles. And it also"
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    "startMs": 520800,
    "text": "actually created um a design system that"
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    "startMs": 523919,
    "text": "works in runtime here. So this is like a"
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    "startMs": 525839,
    "text": "a real app that got built that is also"
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    "startMs": 528959,
    "text": "living in Figma. So there's a link up"
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  {
    "startMs": 530880,
    "text": "here. I won't go there, but trust me, so"
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  {
    "startMs": 533440,
    "text": "we can say stable. If I click that link,"
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  {
    "startMs": 535680,
    "text": "it would go to Figma and show me the"
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    "startMs": 536959,
    "text": "full-blown design system that was built."
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    "startMs": 538880,
    "text": "And a design system for those that don't"
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    "startMs": 540720,
    "text": "know is composed of components and"
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    "startMs": 543760,
    "text": "tokens and variables and styles that all"
  },
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    "startMs": 547360,
    "text": "are used as a basis for building"
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    "startMs": 549200,
    "text": "software from. So code and design"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 551440,
    "text": "together, you know, really work well"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 553839,
    "text": "when there's a design system and there's"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 555279,
    "text": "a code base that understands it. Now"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 558560,
    "text": "move back and forth. You throw something"
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    "startMs": 560000,
    "text": "over here and you say, \"Okay, I want to"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 561519,
    "text": "build an orange button.\" And I've added"
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  {
    "startMs": 564640,
    "text": "a company field and an orange button."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 566160,
    "text": "The code is updated. The design is"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 567760,
    "text": "updated. This is awesome. Could I go"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 570080,
    "text": "back? Maybe. Um, but I have a button up"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 573440,
    "text": "here called show drift."
  },
  {
    "startMs": 575920,
    "text": "So, show drift is rewaver AI working"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 579680,
    "text": "right now. And this is real rewaver code"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 582959,
    "text": "for the first time introduced to the"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 584399,
    "text": "public ever. And if I click show drift,"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 588160,
    "text": "I'll see a list of issues that got"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 589839,
    "text": "generated from both the code and the"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 592640,
    "text": "design at the same time. There are"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 595360,
    "text": "across several different dimensions that"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 597279,
    "text": "you can see here. Design quality, code"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 599839,
    "text": "quality, performance, design tokens,"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 602160,
    "text": "etc. One of the ones of note that I find"
  },
  {
    "startMs": 605680,
    "text": "really important from my perspective is"
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    "text": "and we built kind of a similar harness"
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