Taming Rogue AI Agents with Observability-Driven Evaluation

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   [upbeat music] So I'm here to talk about taming rogue AI agents, but essentially I wanna talk about, uh, evaluation-driven development, observability-driven development, but really why we need observability.

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   So who uses AI? Is that, Jim, stup- most stupid question of the day? Probably. [laughs] Who trusts AI? [laughs]

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   Right. If you'd like to meet me afters, I've got some snake oil you might be interested in buying. [laughs] Yeah, we do not trust AI in the slightest. Now, different question, who reads books?

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   Who loves reading books? If you want some recommendations for books, the Chicago Sun-Times recently published this list of books that, uh, you could enjoy over the summer. Atonement by Ian McEwan, great book, a fantastic movie with Keira Knightley.

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   And then, ooh, The Last Algorithm by Andy Weir. That sounds fun. Who watched The Martian? Yeah? But do you wanna read Andy Weir's new book, The Last Algorithm?

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   Well, you can't. Doesn't exist. So this is a news site, newspaper, and they had an outside contractor generate this summer reading list, and this contractor used AI. And it hallucinated worse than a 1970s, uh, hippie music festival.

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   A lot of hallucinations going on there. Now, they actually had to publish an article saying, "Sorry, we mucked up." But this happens. Now, we're supposed to trust the news.

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   You know, I'm sure we can all... we'll have opinions on that, but we're generally supposed to trust the news. But yet we can't if it's using AI to generate this kind of content.

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   Now, am I worried that the Chicago Sun-Times is gonna sue me for saying that they made this stuff up? No, because lawyers are using AI for case law. This is a, this is a recent case where Butler Snow, uh, cited false case law, uh, defending at the Alabama prison system.

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    Score one against the prisons. Now, the r- I picked these two examples. They're from, like, the same, pretty much the same week a couple of weeks ago, but we've all seen these examples, haven't we?

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    We've all seen Air Canada's chatbot says you can get a refund, and that they're legally obliged to provide things like that. And so we understand that AI has this problem, that it makes stuff up.

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    You know, ev- almost like every day in the news, it's another story about how AI has broken something. And the problem we have is detecting problems with the AI is hard.

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    It is a nondeterministic problem. Right, who's a coder? Who writes code? Okay. Who writes unit tests?

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    Is that the same number of hands? I'm not sure it is. [laughs] You're bad people. But yes, a unit test is kind of easy to write. You know, I have an add function.

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    I can say, "Add two and two, do I get four? Add three and three, do I get six?" But I can't do that for an AI. I can't say, "If I put this input into my AI system, will it give this output?"

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    At the most basic, if I ask a single question, I can possibly look for keywords. But if I've got a complex agentic workflow, I have an application, and I...

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    the input comes in, it causes an LLM. That LLM gets data, makes a decision, calls an agent, gets data, makes a decision, calls a tool, gets data, and so on and so on and so on.

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    That is really, really hard for me to actually evaluate. It's really hard for me to say, "Did it work?" 'Cause partly, what does even work mean? You know, especially with things like a chatbot where we're having a human conversation, how do we define what does work mean?

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    And this is the problem that we face. So how do we do it? There's an old, I believe it was a [REDACTED:origin] expression. Any [REDACTED:origin] in the room other than me?

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    Yay, lots of cool people in the room. We like it. Uh, there's an old [REDACTED:origin] expression called set a thief to catch a thief, and the idea with that expression is if you wanna know how a thief works, you set a thief to do it.

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    But yeah, you want... the thief understands the thief and knows how to catch it, and we can kind of apply that logic to AI. We can set an AI to verify an AI.

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    We can actually ask a nondeterministic system like an AI to evaluate an AI for us, and it turns out AIs are not bad at this. They're about as good as a human is at determining whether an AI actually worked.

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    And that opens up this whole new world of things we can do in that we can use AI to evaluate is our AI application actually working.

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    So I got a demo here. I'm not gonna do this demo live because conference Wi-Fi. Have you all had fun with Wi-Fi? [laughs]

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    Yes. [REDACTED:gender] at the back there very kindly managed to get me connected to an actual physical cable, so things are great. Um, so I got this chatbot.

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    The concept you just said that set a thief to catch a thief- Yep ... using that in AI, but isn't that building a not so trustworthy loop because- Great question.

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    We will be getting to that. Good question, though. Um, so here's an example here. This is not, say, live because, well, one, the Wi-Fi, and two, this is an AI application.

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    There's no guarantee it's actually gonna break the way I want it to break when I'm demoing it to you because it's nondeterministic. But this is a basic chatbot conversation.

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    Um, I've actually got this demo on my laptop. If you wanna come and see this in action, come to Galileo booth and I- I'll demo it. But I'm basically asking it, "What is my account balance?"

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    Think about a kind of fintech chatbot. "What's my account balance?" And the response is, "I don't have access to your account information."

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    It's not very helpful. It's kind of true. I don't have access. Not very helpful. You know, ideally I want it to say, "Yes, you've got a million dollars," or whatever it is.

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    Um, I don't. If anyone wants to donate, would appreciate that. But then I had a follow-up question. You know, "What is the balance of my checking account?" I'm now giving it more information.

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    And I was hoping when I, when I did this demo, it would come back and say, "You've got X amount of money." Instead it came back to say, "Please could you let me know the name of your checking account?"

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    So I didn't even know what my bot was gonna do as I was working through it. It's asking me questions. And I responded to say, "It's called checking account."

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    You know, four hard things in computer science, naming things, cache invalidation, off-by-one errors. Yeah.

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    Someone got the joke. Cool. Um, but yeah, so I got a checking account, and now is able to go to call a tool and go and look at the checking account.

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    Now, did this AI work? Did it work? What do we think? Who thinks, hands up if you think, if you think the whole AI chatbot worked.

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    I mean, yes. You, you, you're right. It did work because within a few steps I got my account balance. Who thinks it didn't work?

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    More hands. Yes, you're right. It didn't work because it took me three steps to get my account balance. So it's not a good thing. So I need to think about, How can I evaluate this?

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    And this is where evaluations comes in. We need to look at all the different steps in a flow and look at different metrics to measure how well this did.

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    So when we think about these kind of evaluations, essentially what we have to is we have to take a lot of data, we have to take everything that's coming in, and we have to define at all the different steps in the process what things we want to look for.

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    Did it successfully call tools? Is it retrieving the right information from a RAG system? Um, is it actually giving an answer that makes sense? Is it hallucinating? There's a lot of different metrics that you can define that evaluates whether or not the whole thing was successful.

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    And ideally, you wanna break that down by all the steps in your flow. I have a multi-agent app. When I call my app to get my account balance, there's an agent that orchestrates it, that calls another agent, that calls a tool, and I need to look at that breakdown by all the individual steps and measure where that--

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    the failures happen. And we need to be able to do these evaluations at every single component. It's not just that binary, "Did my agent work?" yes or no question, it's, at what step in the process did my agent fail?

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    So I have to get this level of granularity. That is really, really important that we have granularity when we're looking at these things. And then the way we work out these numbers, as I said, we set the thief to catch the thief.

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    We use an LLM or using multiple calls to an LLM to evaluate the, the metric. We say to an LLM, "With this input and this information from a RAG system, this is the output that came out, score it."

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    And the idea is you use a better LLM to score than the LLM you use in your application. In your main application, you want the cheapest LLM possible because we all like making money.

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    If you don't like making money, send it to me. But we all-- We want the cheapest LLM possible, but we wanna use the best LLM possible to do the evaluations.

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    Going back to your question there, ideally, you wanna use a better LLM to actually do these evaluations. You wanna say, you get like a million traces a day, we're gonna test, say, ten thousand of them using expensive LLM to, to prove that it works.

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    Ideally, you wanna use a custom-trained LLM. Um, something Galileo offers is we have a custom-trained LLM that's, small language model that's designed to be really, really good at evaluations.

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    Um, but the idea is you use this LLM to do it with a well-defined set of prompts to extract this information. And then you make-- This is in your workflows.

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    And you do this right from day one. So who is just starting building apps? Anyone who's just started building apps? Few hands. Who's got an app in production? Okay.

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    All of you need evaluations, like, now. The, the, the, the best time to put evaluations in is as you're doing prompt engineering model selection. The second best time is now.

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    So you wanna think about this right from the get-go. As you're building application, you wanna start adding those evaluations when you're doing your initial prompt engineering, when you're doing your model selection.

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    You wanna keep those in your dev cycle, in your CI/CD pipelines, and then you wanna observe these in production as users start throwing garbage at your system. So let's look at, look at a couple.

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    Here's just a whole lot of traces from that chatbot with some nice red and green numbers. And I wanna highlight these three rows, and these rows match what I was trying to do with the chatbot.

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    Okay, so the first row here we have got, "What is my account balance?" "I'm sorry. I don't have access to my account information." And I've got two metrics here, action, uh, completion and action advancement.

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    Action completion is, did it actually do the thing it was asked to do? So it measures across the whole flow from the input to the output, did it actually complete the task that it was asked to do?

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    Action advancement is, did it move forward towards the end goal? They're two very subtly distinct metrics. Now, in the case of the first one, "What's my account balance?" "Uh, I don't know.

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    Don't know anything." Didn't complete, didn't advance. So we know there's a problem with that one. Second one, "What is the balance of my checking account?" Didn't complete. "I don't have a balance," but it advanced.

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    So I can see that, yes, it realized that it needs to know the name of the account, so it advanced one step further. So I can say, actually, yes, with this kind of prompt, it advances.

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    And then finally, when I say, "Yes, my checking account is called checking account," it completed, gave me the results, and it could show the advance went through. So I can see from these metrics which prompts worked, which prompts didn't work.

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    And I can use this to continue improve what I'm doing. Now, obviously, these numbers are kind of a whole over the, over- overarching number across the whole thing. Obviously, I kinda need to have some form of breakdown.

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    So that's what I've got here. This is the individual trace that comes in to call CLM. The LLM decides to call a tool, pulls data, decides to call the LLM to process that data and show it out the other side.

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    And that's showing those steps. And at each level, I can get whatever metrics are relevant. So it's not-- I can look at the overarching, it's red, it's a bad thing 'cause it's red, and then I can dive into each individual step and see why it's red and look at all those different layers.

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    And that's really, really important. You have to have this understanding of the architecture of your agentic systems so that you can do this analysis at each individual level. And then depending on what's happening, you can then farm out the f- the fixing of the problem to the relevant team.

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    Maybe it's your RAG application is terrible. Maybe you need to tune one of your prompts. But by having this level of granularity, you can make those smart decisions around it.

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    Now, what's also cool is this is a lot of unstructured data. What do we know that is good for working with unstructured data?

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    AI. Yes. And so what's cool as well is when you start putting an LLM over the top of this, you can get some really smart insights coming out. So this is, um, some insights that I generated.

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    Basically, an AI will go against all the data and say, "This metric is low. How can I make it better?" And this is really cool, and this is saying, yeah, the LLM occasionally fails to use the Get Balance tool when asked about account balances, and that's basically the fundamental problem.

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    When I say, "What is the balance of my account," what would you expect to happen in a chatbot? What's the balance of my account? What would you expect? Anyone?

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    Shout out. [laughs] To get your balance. Exactly, yeah. And probably if you have multiple accounts, you would get the balance of all your accounts. You know, this is your checking, savings, credit card, 401K, whatever.

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    And so it kind of makes sense to improve the effectiveness to get us closer to where we all have a consensus that this agent is working, would be for, if I say give me the account balance,

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    it goes to all the accounts and shows me all the balances. So the suggested action here is adding ex- explicit instructions to my system message. So not only have I identified this problem through my evaluations, but I've got a suggestion for fixing it.

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    Now, it's not automatically gonna fix it for me because, you know, there be dragons in that, 'cause what if that mucks up, and then you have to evaluate my automatic fixings and my evaluations, and the snake swallows its tail.

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    But this is giving me suggestions, so the human in the loop, and that's really important, as a human, I can look at this and say, "Yeah, this is the fix that I want to make."

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    Now, I do want to emphasize that whole human in the loop thing is really, really important. So when you're, when you're generating metrics, there's no guarantee the metrics you generate are actually gonna be correct, 'cause the, the AI, going back to your question over there, the AI could get it wrong.

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    And so one thing you wanna do is make sure that you're using a system that has human feedback, like CLHF, continuous learning by human feedback. You can ... You want humans to evaluate the numbers and say, "Okay, this is actually working.

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    The metric was low. Here's the reason. Retune." And have that continuous training of your metrics, 'cause your metrics will never be perfect out the box. You need this continuous level of training.

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    So to get this all right, what do we have to do?

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    Step one, add evaluations to your agent. As I said, the best time to do it is before you even start. The second-best time is now. If you don't have evaluations, get them in now so you can make sure your agent is not making stuff up.

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    You do not want to be the next Chicago Sun-Times.

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    Then you need to measure precisely what you need. Different tools, different applications have different measurements of what they need. Do I need to measure whether the input and outputs are being toxic?

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    Do I need to measure for the c- the hallucinations? Do I need to measure for a comprehensible output? Do I need to measure for RAG? Do I have some kind of custom measurement that only I know about that's specific to my use case?

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    You wanna be defining those measurements and those metrics upfront as you are thinking about your prompts, your structure of your app, your agents. Where right at design time you think about exactly what you need to measure.

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    And then as you build it, keep that going all the way through to production. This is not just a test in dev. 'Cause let's be honest, when users get a hold of your system, they do stuff you don't expect.

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    How many times have you tested something to the nth degree and it breaks the second a user gets on it? Damn those users. But they do things you don't expect, and so you have to have this in production as well to make sure that you've got everything in place.

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    And then you wanna have this real-time prevention. You wanna have alerting when it goes wrong. If your AI agent goes rogue, maybe you need to be woken up. So that is how you can tame AI agents with evaluations.

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    I'm Jim Bennett. I'm a principal developer advocate at Galileo. Come and talk to us on the booth in the expo if you wanna learn more. Uh, scan that if you wanna sign up for Galileo.

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    We have a free offering, but you wanna learn more about it, come meet me at the booth. With that, thank you very much, and I will take some questions, I believe. [clapping] [upbeat music]